If someone holds a degrees they claim to is something that can be easily verified in absolute terms.
I absolutely disagree here. A lot come out of universities not knowing a thing. I am not at all sure what the added value of the 'university' is. How many would even attend if 'degrees' were not required by so many employers?
I'll agree with you that knowing nothing else, one would be smart to bet on a degree-holder. But let them rely on objective tests instead.
And you've created a burden on the employer that megacorps can easily shoulder but smaller businesses can't.
This is an excellent point. Such onerous requirements should not be imposed on small businesses.
Eliminate degree requirements and you'd create a void that a bunch of private certification testing companies would step into
But is that bad? They provide you with testing without the burden of a useless 'education'.
We live in an age where all knowledge is easily accessed on the internet. All you're arguing for is keeping the corrupt and outdated institutions of schooling alive
You can also structure your hiring process to actually test your prospects' skills. Give them real-world examples to solve, do some roleplay, have them demonstrate their ability instead of just talking about it. We've been doing that for years and it has really helped filter out the talkers. We take people with/without degrees so long as they impress us in the project we give them.
I actually went to university for a maths and computer science degree. To date, in just over two decades in industry, I've used anything from that MCS stuff just once.
Only if you're not familiar with MCS - it's not a regular CompSci degree. MCS places a heavy emphasis on the theory rather than the practice - I at least theoretically know how to write a compiler, but that's not something particularly necessary in more regular IT work (despite what Hollywood would have you believe)
If you're doing IT work with a computer science degree, you've utterly wasted your degree. That's not the degree's fault.
I hire programmers. If I interview someone with a MIS degree or an IT background, the entire interview would be grilling them on things like algorithmic complexity. I don't want IT people on my team because they simply don't produce good code.
Agree. If it isn't needed. Obviously science and math is different but overall it seems like you could train people to do a lot of jobs that require degrees.
The number one thing that can be done for equal opportunity for all is eliminating the need for a "degree" from the credentialing cartel.
Why should I sink three years of my life to pay you to learn nothing, when I can learn the same and more in a year on my own?
I absolutely disagree here. A lot come out of universities not knowing a thing. I am not at all sure what the added value of the 'university' is. How many would even attend if 'degrees' were not required by so many employers?
I'll agree with you that knowing nothing else, one would be smart to bet on a degree-holder. But let them rely on objective tests instead.
This is an excellent point. Such onerous requirements should not be imposed on small businesses.
But is that bad? They provide you with testing without the burden of a useless 'education'.
It shows you paid money.
Perhaps combining education and testing should be regarded as an antitrust violation.
We live in an age where all knowledge is easily accessed on the internet. All you're arguing for is keeping the corrupt and outdated institutions of schooling alive
And Revit says is safe. I literally watched an engineer design a place in an hour by just putting in the requirements and needs.
You can also structure your hiring process to actually test your prospects' skills. Give them real-world examples to solve, do some roleplay, have them demonstrate their ability instead of just talking about it. We've been doing that for years and it has really helped filter out the talkers. We take people with/without degrees so long as they impress us in the project we give them.
I actually went to university for a maths and computer science degree. To date, in just over two decades in industry, I've used anything from that MCS stuff just once.
That's a little hard to believe.
Only if you're not familiar with MCS - it's not a regular CompSci degree. MCS places a heavy emphasis on the theory rather than the practice - I at least theoretically know how to write a compiler, but that's not something particularly necessary in more regular IT work (despite what Hollywood would have you believe)
If you're doing IT work with a computer science degree, you've utterly wasted your degree. That's not the degree's fault.
I hire programmers. If I interview someone with a MIS degree or an IT background, the entire interview would be grilling them on things like algorithmic complexity. I don't want IT people on my team because they simply don't produce good code.
Agree. If it isn't needed. Obviously science and math is different but overall it seems like you could train people to do a lot of jobs that require degrees.
Exactly.