LAB: 54% (+9)
CON: 21% (-7)
LDEM: 7% (-2)
GRN: 6% (-1)
As far as polls go, this is pretty crazy. The left-wing parties have 2/3 of the vote - more than three times what the Conservatives have.
However, this proves that this is all about economics. England is in an economic free-fall thanks to the incompetent Truss (according to some people because women are trying to crash the economy).
So Truss doesn't know Russian geography. Who cares? I only know Rostov and Voronezh because I play WW2 games.
The question is nonsensical except if asked as a gotcha. The sensible question would have been to ask about the two Donbass Oblasts, which is what she assumed he was referring to.
edit: I WILL NEVER RECOGNIZE ROSTOV AND VORONEZH AS RUSSIAN kek
Listen buddy, her job was to have a vagina while conservative and shuffle from 1 short term political appointment to the next, not to know geography. She was foreign secretary for less than a year, and had multiple different posts before that. She basically didn't give a shit for her stepping stone job and just parroted the talking points she was given.
Sergey Lavrov has been Foreign Minister since 2004, and was Russia's UN Ambassador since 1994. He's been working as a diplomat since 1972.
Do you have any idea how hard it is to find conservative women who are competent? You can't. They don't exist. We tried it here in America and the best we could do was Sarah Palin, who is seen as somewhat of a joke now.
Everyone on the Right has to pretend that women are competent to get them to vote for us, because the Left constantly YASS QWEENs them.
Can't find any liberal women who are competent either tbh
^^. Exactly my point.
I guess it’s just showing that the foreign secretary was wildly ignorant about something she was actively making speeches on…
I don’t think it’s really that out of line to expect a slightly higher geographical knowledge from someone in that position, vis à vis you or I…
It just shows Lavrov knew she was an idiot, and used the “gotcha” there to good effect…
If you don't know where some place is, then maybe you should shut up about it.
I don't go around saying that El Paso is Mexican territory, as you stole it fair and square.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guadalupe_Hidalgo We actually paid Mexico for all the land we conquered. Twice.
And lol El Paso is more Mexican than some places in Mexico. Demographic profile Hispanic or Latino 82.8%
Not sure what your argument is. That stealing your neighbors' land is OK if you pretend to pay them like the USSR pretended to pay its employees?
Rather funny that you do not recognize the ironic echoes with the Ukraine nonsense.
It wasn't pretend. We actually gave them the money. Got a receipt and everything.
Crimea is slightly majority Russian, 58% but every other oblast is well under half, including in the Donbass. Most of Ukraine it's under 10%. Kherson is only 14% and yet Russia is occupying it.
Great, so if you occupy a country's capital, get a 'receipt' for some pittance, you get to steal their land? To Kiev then.
Oh, so you recognize that Crimea is Russian then?
It wasn't a pittance. 1st round was $10 million [a lot of money back then] and 2nd round was $15 million and didn't even involve a war.
Occupation and annexation by conquest is still a thing, and not "stealing" by definition, though in modern times we tend to regard naked conquest as having less legitimacy and recognition than when there is consent.
No, national boundaries are not defined by ethnic simple majorities. If that were the case, Russia would lose Chechnya and Dagestan and some other places.
The Russian presence in Crimea makes Russia's claim stronger than otherwise, obviously, and Ukraine is better off without Crimea from a voting perspective. This notion of holding land with colonists is why China pushes Han into Xinjiang, and why Israel pushes its colonists into the West Bank.
I agree. It was a gotcha. Unless she wants to see them returned to the Greeks.
I mean, look…
Labour will not be good. There is no question of that. But the Cameron/May/Johnson/Truss government has been so wildly incompetent, so corrupt, so ideologically inconsistent, so wasteful and so… I hate to say it, but undemocratic and unprincipled that they just… I can see how people want the alternative, regardless of what the alternative may be.
They’ve completely failed to govern. For most of this year. As has the DUP in NI.
No shit people are going to be looking elsewhere in some vain hope they might find some “leadership” lurking there. Because frankly this government does not deserve to be there.
Anyone who votes for Labour because they're disappointed that the Tories are Labour Lite is brain damaged. It's far better to "waste your vote" on a third party that represents your interests than to vote for the enemy.
Obviously. It may even be for the better. They're not good for much now, are they? Let them rediscover what people want in opposition.
I agree. I just worry rather what Labour may do, when they get in, and how it may push the Cons to the left as a wedge…
The Spectator has written about this way better than I ever could, but you see that phenomenon across the (non-US) Anglosphere, with the left currently in power in Canada, Aus, Ireland, Scotland and NZ, and the opposition… Not doing a very good job of “opposing” anything…
Which says a lot about parliamentary “democracy”, frankly…
I honestly thought the (weak, corrupt, vaxx-worshipping) neoliberal “conservative” government losing in Aus back in May might at least shake things up a bit, but honestly, the rate we are going, here, under Labor now, I’m actually not sure we’ll even still have a democracy to vote in, by the time of the next election (hyperbole, but… See: “The Indigenous Voice”, for what I mean), so…
Be careful what you wish for, i guess.
Sadly, Labo(u)r can always fuck it up even more than it already is…
Cons tend to move right in opposition and left in government. They need to fool people into 'voting' for them when they are in opposition, so they have to pretend to care about what people think - or the system will lose even more legitimacy.
It's not better in presidential 'democracies'. Or any other system. It is a universal law that any system will be an oligarchy, no matter how 'democratic' or dictatorial it is on paper.
I do not fear that, because we certainly do not have a democracy, and our elections are a farce where we can choose between Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. And insofar as they make noises about being different, they always betray these promises in office.
But at least there will be a chance of getting to choose between good and bad. Now it is between bad and worse. That is never enviable. It's like choosing between Obama and Romney.
The only reason Labour are so high is because there's a three party bias (Labour/Conservative of who actually hold power and Liberal Democrats as a protest vote) and people disaffected with those parties tend to do 2 things:
Switch between the 3 as they want to be on 'the winning team' despite them probably doing the opposite of your values
Just nope out of the elections entirely in protest
The polls are showing the latter, there were less people voting in general for the recent council elections that led to more Labour and lib dems taking over. If these voters actually instead of having a tantrum just voted for smaller niche parties instead, there'd be MASSIVE change in the power structures of the UK.
The people there voted for Brexit and economic independence and the conservative party immediately beelined towards unlimited economic migration. They're getting what they deserve.
left wing parties have 100% of the vote.
UK is a libcuck country and Boris was an anomaly who we can now see in hindsight to have been an extremely capable politician.
Now the Left is going to put the UK into shitshow time and we will see if there is a backlash or not.
He was gifted the Red Wall, seats that have been Labour since time immemorial, and threw that all away with Covid parties and by not following through on populism.
How cucked does a country have to be to throw out an effective PM based on "covid parties". Sad.
Trump could have snorted coke off the tits of porn stars with Charlie Sheen while livestreaming on twitch and he probably would have gotten MORE votes.
Johnson wasn't conserving anything. Besides, he violated the laws for which he had his people arrest others. So yeah, that is bad.
Being a "conservative" in the UK means fighting rearguard actions against the wokes. It's like being a conservative in New York or Portland. All you can do is slow down the leftist march for a while and stage a fighting retreat. There is 0 chance of you actually taking the offensive and rolling back leftism because it's not what your constituency wants. You represent the brakes, and the Left represents the gas, but the car is moving ever Leftward.
If you think the UK is anything like either, you do not know much of the place. May I recommend "United Kingdom: The Country and Its People", course POL1013 of Basic FSB Training?
You actually think the constituency of people in the UK wants wokeness?
No, but unfortunately, what the people want matters not at all in "democracies".
Yes I think the majority of UK residents prefer leftist politics. It's just a quibble over HOW leftist, with the "conservatives" wanting to stop at moderate socialism, while "labor" wants full blown clown world.
You throw a welfare state on the same heap as 'wokism'. Which may fit the American context, but it does not fit the European context.
They're all leftist parties. One of them just pretends to not be.
Depressing as hell but keep in mind that polls are manipulated to sway the vote
Swaying the vote from the crocodile to the alligator isn't doing much.
It's just left and lefter.
Thank fuck the BOE didn't end up under a woman's control, only thing keeping them from being bankrupt.
Conservatives too busy sucking strap-on to do what has to be done. Bad times are coming.
Wait till you find out about who runs the central bank of Russia.
DANGER! GENOCIDE INCOMING! She will kill Putin and then LAUNCH THE NUCLEAR MISSILES while maniacally laughing about how many MEN will die!
All kidding aside, but this is why the Russian economy and the ruble are crashing. Putin the traitor put a woman in charge, even though he is pretending to fight Nazis in Ukraine.