Classical music has not been innovated because of how dead it became in the West which is disappointing. . In fact it seems to be that Japan seems to be the only ones creating "modern" classical and opera themed music
I think it's because those who would be "classical" dudes in the West have been commercialized into movie and video game orchestra leaders.
Basically, this stuff IS modern classical music; the old stuff was patronized by rich people, for rich people entertainment. "Subverting" it to movies and games is just how that's expressed when the masses get involved. And I know I'm not explaining what I'm thinking quite right, but it's early. But consider the original Star Wars double album, and tell me that isn't a "classical music" album.
And I guess one could say another branch went into orchestral rock (Pink Floyd, etc)
The reason instrumental only music died out was because it's inherently harder to make due to the lack of lyrics meaning no crutches, and inherently harder to market because how the hell are you going to describe it while looking for it. Yes, songs relying on lyrics is a crutch in my opinion because most rap is fucking garbage.
Generalizing, every masterpiece requires enough motivation for the master to do the boring grunge work to perfect the piece, because only they are skilled enough to do it and nobody wants to put that much effort in when they could move on to something new and exciting.
Patrons, game companies, God. Sometimes even not to disappoint their fans, although rarely is that enough to make truly great works.
Not everyone goes to live theatre, such as opera or symphonies, but most people watch movies, or play video games nowadays.
And the symphonies that are most popular, are the "Pops" kind. Hell, I used to have a set of 8 track tapes (ahem, yep) with "150 Popular Classics" that was all classical music that one would recognize from somewhere - Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies, The Lone Ranger, the Speedy Muffler ad, etc. I don't think that particular collection survived digitization.
Honestly, classical music still exists, but it basically only exists within movie and video game mediums. I grant you it's not Baroque-era style, but it's the best we can do since NPR Tote-baggers are the dominant majority of consumers of the traditional music.
also look up yoshihisa hirano he started off doing music for beyblade (quality of those recordings are garbo but its really hard to find the music he did for it cause if you search for "beyblade ost" its all the pop stuff) he also did hunter X hunter, ouran highschool host club, break blade and various others
and in the west if you listen to BBC radio 3... oh god all the modern composers they showcase are all fucking Benjamin Brittain school of plinky plonky shite by "insert diverse female composer here"
honestly they keep banging on about these contemporary classical composers that sound like shit and i'm sat here going japan and china have some of the best out there (seriously yu peng chen and the rest of hoyo mix have done some absolute bangers for genshin impact I know its Chinese but good artistry is good artistry) and if you want specifically female composers (because muh diversity) i know 100% that japan has more than enough
Damn, good old Zetsuen no Tempest. One of those diamonds in the rough it feels like no one talks about nowadays so it feels like you just had to be there paying attention when it aired.
Thanks for all the links, ill check them out later.
My contributions to this discussion:
Mephistopheles from the Dies Irae visual novel OST. IIRC its a metal version of part of Mozart's Requiem.
There were a couple others I was thinking of that jumped out of my mind while I was typing, but I will edit them in if they come to me later.
In short, music in the west is dead. Don't get me wrong, you can find all sorts of good shit done by less popular groups and individuals on the internet, but the popular is almost entirely shitty, soulless garbage.
Classical music is infinitely superior to the ape noises and borderline pornography that currently pollutes the American soundscape.
Classical music has not been innovated because of how dead it became in the West which is disappointing. . In fact it seems to be that Japan seems to be the only ones creating "modern" classical and opera themed music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJBUF-s15co&ab_channel=KeigoHoashi-Topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfvZmhqW0A&ab_channel=HelpingHands
I think it's because those who would be "classical" dudes in the West have been commercialized into movie and video game orchestra leaders.
Basically, this stuff IS modern classical music; the old stuff was patronized by rich people, for rich people entertainment. "Subverting" it to movies and games is just how that's expressed when the masses get involved. And I know I'm not explaining what I'm thinking quite right, but it's early. But consider the original Star Wars double album, and tell me that isn't a "classical music" album.
And I guess one could say another branch went into orchestral rock (Pink Floyd, etc)
The reason instrumental only music died out was because it's inherently harder to make due to the lack of lyrics meaning no crutches, and inherently harder to market because how the hell are you going to describe it while looking for it. Yes, songs relying on lyrics is a crutch in my opinion because most rap is fucking garbage.
Generalizing, every masterpiece requires enough motivation for the master to do the boring grunge work to perfect the piece, because only they are skilled enough to do it and nobody wants to put that much effort in when they could move on to something new and exciting.
Patrons, game companies, God. Sometimes even not to disappoint their fans, although rarely is that enough to make truly great works.
Popularizing, maybe.
Not everyone goes to live theatre, such as opera or symphonies, but most people watch movies, or play video games nowadays.
And the symphonies that are most popular, are the "Pops" kind. Hell, I used to have a set of 8 track tapes (ahem, yep) with "150 Popular Classics" that was all classical music that one would recognize from somewhere - Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies, The Lone Ranger, the Speedy Muffler ad, etc. I don't think that particular collection survived digitization.
It's kinda funny that I subconsciously knew this because 90% of non lyrical music I listen to is from Japanese anime or videogame OSTs.
There's the odd derivative project like Keygen Church at least.
Honestly, classical music still exists, but it basically only exists within movie and video game mediums. I grant you it's not Baroque-era style, but it's the best we can do since NPR Tote-baggers are the dominant majority of consumers of the traditional music.
That doesn't mean that we don't have good shit
look up michiru oshima
they did some great music for "blast of tempest" (a series with themes and characters based on tempest and hamlet) they did an orchestral arrangement of the third movement of Beethovens sonata no.17 I wish they had done the entire thing though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6avmpoDwCiQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzSw_ChYAFQ
and a couple more tracks
they also did the music for a series called "snow white with the red hair" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMAY03Ly46A&list=PL7bwIieUCQQSwr-dozH2RvRhip_IWOCb3&index=1
and little witch academia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Y_nE1IIzY&list=PL74egpP-HXJ0y1Ks_UxBHAZmtZriUMu78
also look up yoshihisa hirano he started off doing music for beyblade (quality of those recordings are garbo but its really hard to find the music he did for it cause if you search for "beyblade ost" its all the pop stuff) he also did hunter X hunter, ouran highschool host club, break blade and various others
and in the west if you listen to BBC radio 3... oh god all the modern composers they showcase are all fucking Benjamin Brittain school of plinky plonky shite by "insert diverse female composer here"
honestly they keep banging on about these contemporary classical composers that sound like shit and i'm sat here going japan and china have some of the best out there (seriously yu peng chen and the rest of hoyo mix have done some absolute bangers for genshin impact I know its Chinese but good artistry is good artistry) and if you want specifically female composers (because muh diversity) i know 100% that japan has more than enough
edit: fuck it I'm back with more
SOUND FUCKING EUPHONIUM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkKCY_pCPi8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgIvgvvyKiA the soundtrack is a mixture of original pieces and arrangements of pre-existing work
spice and wolf, the majority of the soundtrack makes use of medieval instruments (crumbhorn etc) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68rGwmvn_8A&list=PLoMYI-vy6AgzjTh_9-oUPf8S1jeUyjhQA&index=3
Damn, good old Zetsuen no Tempest. One of those diamonds in the rough it feels like no one talks about nowadays so it feels like you just had to be there paying attention when it aired.
Thanks for all the links, ill check them out later. My contributions to this discussion:
Mephistopheles from the Dies Irae visual novel OST. IIRC its a metal version of part of Mozart's Requiem.
There were a couple others I was thinking of that jumped out of my mind while I was typing, but I will edit them in if they come to me later.
In short, music in the west is dead. Don't get me wrong, you can find all sorts of good shit done by less popular groups and individuals on the internet, but the popular is almost entirely shitty, soulless garbage.
Forbidden knowledge:
We are still listening to Baroque
If it ain't Baroque, don't fix it.
I’LL SEE YOU IN HELL, PACHELBEL