Joe Biden won in 2020, dude. Being delusional about it and refusing to accept it isn't going to help anything. He won the popular vote by over 7 million votes. The EC was much closer, but he still won a comfortable margin of states. Trump would have had to have swung like 4 states to change the outcome. [GA, AZ, PA & WIS] Saying that was Trump crushing Biden is just not reality.
All the "release the kraken" turned out to be total bullshit. None of the people talking about election fraud was ever able to provide proof of anything anywhere near big enough to swing the outcome. Even many Republicans had positions in the state governments and confirmed this. Even Republican appointed judges agreed the mass-fraud challenges were baseless.
If you truly believe what you wrote in your comment, you're going to be a very unhappy person, forever shouting and shaking your fist at the globalists without ever being able to contribute to helping the Right because you'll be too far out to the fringe for anyone to listen to you. People like me are trying to actually move the ball to the Right in a meaningful way, and that means I need to be very honest about reality and see the world how it truly is based on facts, not based on wild ideological assumptions. No amount of anger or outrage you might work yourself up into will ever mean anything as long as the only result is that you complain on an internet message board.
Meh, considering the fact there were in fact places with more than 100% turnout, there’s stuff that is very much fishy about it, but I get your point, that we need to move on from it, prevent it from happening again and in addition get more people in line with policy.
The >100% turnout is not really a good way to convince people, because the people that need convincing believe you're saying that's proof of cheating and so you're dumb because it includes same-day and some district somewhere actually had lots of growth and legitimately had >100% because of new voters.
And because "you're dumb" they'll ignore anything else you have to say, even that you know it includes new voters but that's still suspiciously high.
I think it's better to focus on the areas with 90% actual turnout, as in 90% of eligible voters voted. This is higher than countries like AU with mandatory voting and especially with dirty rolls is all but impossible.
I need to be very honest about reality and see the world how it truly is based on facts, not based on wild ideological assumptions.
What facts do you have that the election was not stolen? In other words, how do you - using facts - differentiate a stolen election from a legitimate Biden win?
The only "facts" that you presented so far are that some people who would benefit from cheating (neocons, democrats) said they didn't do it or didn't know about it and you trust them. As far as I'm aware, blind trust is the only evidence the election was not stolen.
Whereas the other side has Democrats with the trifecta of means, motive, and opportunity; means they created illegally against their state laws/constitutions (as seen in court rulings saying "just don't do it again" to dropboxes, curing, etc), massive motive from literally-hitler being in office for 4 years, and nobody watching them because of covid restrictions. Signaling they wanted to cheat, for example Pelosi trying to block ballot signature checks nationally. Biden saying they had the largest fraud organization. From what I can tell every historic indicator that's ever been previously talked about going for Trump, including bellwether counties perfectly predicting the wrong outcome with 19/20 going for Trump instead of winner like prior elections. Several canvasses showing large discrepancies in people who said they voted and people the state said voted. Cell phone tracking purported to show dropboxes being stuffed, along with rates of rejected ballots orders of magnitude less indicating signatures weren't checked. Actual video of one county fraudulently counting ballots. Democrats acting like they cheated, CO voter chief saying no recounts unless it's over her dead body, blocking windows, etc. ... and more.
You can poke some holes in that, like Biden probably did just misspeak, the GA fraud on video was only proof of one place, cell tracking data hasn't been made public and could very well be made up. But ultimately if you look at the forest, you have means/motive/opportunity instituting a mail-in voting system that's ripe for widespread cheating, that is nearly impossible to prove, and indicators that cheating happened.
Don't forget that Georgia precinct shutting down because of a burst pipe, this was reported live, then they said it was a flooded toilet and then they claimed none of that ever happened and they just shutdown because it was late
What facts do you have that the election was not stolen?
You need to prove it was stolen. I don't need to prove it was not stolen. The burden of proof is on the people claiming it was stolen. It's not guilty until proven innocent. The default state of US elections is not "stolen".
Donald Trump lied and claimed the election was stolen as a cynical political ploy because he was a sore loser. He was happy to try to tear down our democracy rather than admit he lost because he pissed off too many people with his tweets. Trump's lies caused Republicans to stay home in Georgia and cost us two senate seats, giving the Democrats full control of government, which allowed them to waste trillions of extra dollars once Biden took office.
The Republican Georgia Secretary of State conducted hundreds of investigations and found no widespread or significant voter fraud. Republicans were involved in various things like ballot supervision and inspection and all backed the legitimacy of the results.
All of the various attempts to prove voter fraud in the many lawsuits that were filed went nowhere because there was no proof of anything backing them.
The leading figures of "stop the steal" were all mentally unhinged lunatics.
Plus, the sheer number of votes that would have needed to be cheated would have been relatively easy to catch. It wasn't a handful of votes, it was hundreds of thousands of votes spread out over 3-4 states.
You need to prove it was stolen. I don't need to prove it was not stolen. The burden of proof is on the people claiming it was stolen. It's not guilty until proven innocent. The default state of US elections is not "stolen"
No, you need to prove it wasn't stolen. If Alex Jones wins 2024 with write-ins you wouldn't say "well we can't prove he didn't win legitimately". That's an absurd standard that you only have because you can't prove it wasn't stolen - not even at a preponderance of evidence standard.
This is the most fundamental requirement for an election is that everybody agrees it was fairly conducted; this is the source of all the democratic government's legitimacy.
And in your response we see that you have zero actual evidence it wasn't stolen other than blind trust - after saying you must base your decisions on facts only.
Joe Biden won in 2020, dude. Being delusional about it and refusing to accept it isn't going to help anything. He won the popular vote by over 7 million votes. The EC was much closer, but he still won a comfortable margin of states. Trump would have had to have swung like 4 states to change the outcome. [GA, AZ, PA & WIS] Saying that was Trump crushing Biden is just not reality.
All the "release the kraken" turned out to be total bullshit. None of the people talking about election fraud was ever able to provide proof of anything anywhere near big enough to swing the outcome. Even many Republicans had positions in the state governments and confirmed this. Even Republican appointed judges agreed the mass-fraud challenges were baseless.
If you truly believe what you wrote in your comment, you're going to be a very unhappy person, forever shouting and shaking your fist at the globalists without ever being able to contribute to helping the Right because you'll be too far out to the fringe for anyone to listen to you. People like me are trying to actually move the ball to the Right in a meaningful way, and that means I need to be very honest about reality and see the world how it truly is based on facts, not based on wild ideological assumptions. No amount of anger or outrage you might work yourself up into will ever mean anything as long as the only result is that you complain on an internet message board.
Meh, considering the fact there were in fact places with more than 100% turnout, there’s stuff that is very much fishy about it, but I get your point, that we need to move on from it, prevent it from happening again and in addition get more people in line with policy.
The >100% turnout is not really a good way to convince people, because the people that need convincing believe you're saying that's proof of cheating and so you're dumb because it includes same-day and some district somewhere actually had lots of growth and legitimately had >100% because of new voters.
And because "you're dumb" they'll ignore anything else you have to say, even that you know it includes new voters but that's still suspiciously high.
I think it's better to focus on the areas with 90% actual turnout, as in 90% of eligible voters voted. This is higher than countries like AU with mandatory voting and especially with dirty rolls is all but impossible.
What facts do you have that the election was not stolen? In other words, how do you - using facts - differentiate a stolen election from a legitimate Biden win?
The only "facts" that you presented so far are that some people who would benefit from cheating (neocons, democrats) said they didn't do it or didn't know about it and you trust them. As far as I'm aware, blind trust is the only evidence the election was not stolen.
Whereas the other side has Democrats with the trifecta of means, motive, and opportunity; means they created illegally against their state laws/constitutions (as seen in court rulings saying "just don't do it again" to dropboxes, curing, etc), massive motive from literally-hitler being in office for 4 years, and nobody watching them because of covid restrictions. Signaling they wanted to cheat, for example Pelosi trying to block ballot signature checks nationally. Biden saying they had the largest fraud organization. From what I can tell every historic indicator that's ever been previously talked about going for Trump, including bellwether counties perfectly predicting the wrong outcome with 19/20 going for Trump instead of winner like prior elections. Several canvasses showing large discrepancies in people who said they voted and people the state said voted. Cell phone tracking purported to show dropboxes being stuffed, along with rates of rejected ballots orders of magnitude less indicating signatures weren't checked. Actual video of one county fraudulently counting ballots. Democrats acting like they cheated, CO voter chief saying no recounts unless it's over her dead body, blocking windows, etc. ... and more.
You can poke some holes in that, like Biden probably did just misspeak, the GA fraud on video was only proof of one place, cell tracking data hasn't been made public and could very well be made up. But ultimately if you look at the forest, you have means/motive/opportunity instituting a mail-in voting system that's ripe for widespread cheating, that is nearly impossible to prove, and indicators that cheating happened.
Don't forget that Georgia precinct shutting down because of a burst pipe, this was reported live, then they said it was a flooded toilet and then they claimed none of that ever happened and they just shutdown because it was late
You need to prove it was stolen. I don't need to prove it was not stolen. The burden of proof is on the people claiming it was stolen. It's not guilty until proven innocent. The default state of US elections is not "stolen".
Donald Trump lied and claimed the election was stolen as a cynical political ploy because he was a sore loser. He was happy to try to tear down our democracy rather than admit he lost because he pissed off too many people with his tweets. Trump's lies caused Republicans to stay home in Georgia and cost us two senate seats, giving the Democrats full control of government, which allowed them to waste trillions of extra dollars once Biden took office.
The Republican Georgia Secretary of State conducted hundreds of investigations and found no widespread or significant voter fraud. Republicans were involved in various things like ballot supervision and inspection and all backed the legitimacy of the results.
All of the various attempts to prove voter fraud in the many lawsuits that were filed went nowhere because there was no proof of anything backing them.
The leading figures of "stop the steal" were all mentally unhinged lunatics.
Plus, the sheer number of votes that would have needed to be cheated would have been relatively easy to catch. It wasn't a handful of votes, it was hundreds of thousands of votes spread out over 3-4 states.
Projection much? You're awfully butthurt about Trump and I think you like this "most secure election in history" bullshit just because of petty spite.
The best I can say about the 2020 election is that we'll never know who won because we didn't get fair audits.
No, you need to prove it wasn't stolen. If Alex Jones wins 2024 with write-ins you wouldn't say "well we can't prove he didn't win legitimately". That's an absurd standard that you only have because you can't prove it wasn't stolen - not even at a preponderance of evidence standard.
This is the most fundamental requirement for an election is that everybody agrees it was fairly conducted; this is the source of all the democratic government's legitimacy.
And in your response we see that you have zero actual evidence it wasn't stolen other than blind trust - after saying you must base your decisions on facts only.