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Negotiations between the two actual combatant sides of the Ukraine clusterfuck have begun in earnest. (archive.ph)
posted 3 years ago by GeneralBoobs 3 years ago by GeneralBoobs +16 / -0
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– TentElephant 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Place your bets: only independence for the Donbas republics, annexation of Novarussia, Ukraine forced all the back to Galicia, or something else?

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– Lurker404 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

I'm guessing a large chunk of the eastern und southern provinces will go to Russia (either quasi independent or straight up part of Russia) because Ukraine won't agree to anything until it's too late.

Zelensky just purged all those who disagree with his "strategy" to fight till the last Ukrainian. At this point his only goals seems to be to get as many goys killed as possible.

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– SupremeReader 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

No, he purged the SBU and the police because of their failures and straight up treason (up to and including defections).

Also including feeding him false info about Russia "not going to invade actually" and so all the American warnings were totally ignored and publicly denied (the winredditors over here at the time even made threads about Ukrainian idiotic denials of the clearly upcoming invasion, also convinced the Americans just make things up).

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– GeneralBoobs [S] 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

Ukraine is about to lose their southern provinces. The eastern are already gone.

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– SupremeReader 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Only the Luhansk Oblast is occupied entirely. Most advances there were made in the first few days when it was a blitzkrieg, since they were advancing only on selected small sections of the front and almost never even 1 km a day since the frontlines stabilized in March.

In the Donetsk Oblast in almost half year the Russians failed to even take Avdiivka literally just west to Donetsk city. It was one of the very first places that came under attack, and it's where the frontline froze back in 2015 (after the fall of Donetsk Airport). So they practically didn't take it in almost a decade.

The attempt to take or even besiege Kharkiv (the most important part of Donbass and also the second biggest city in all Ukraine) failed and was pushed back towards the border beyond normal artillery range. They're still hitting the city but with tactical and cruise missiles. But they try make a new Kharkiv offensive (https://www.dw.com/en/russia-ukraine-updates-moscow-may-seek-to-retake-kharkiv/a-62500892).

And in the South it is Ukrainians who are pushing east, and it's not a new development at all. But they're taking back just small places, one by one, but it's never international news. Even before they launched the counteroffensive there the key point of the Kherson Airbase was always in their regular artillery range, which led to much hilarity as they hit it again and again for a long time while Russians kept restocking it each time (the definition of insanity).

Overall it looks a lot like the early Iran-Iraq and the Russians are Iraqis. (Yes, I wish Ukraine had the F-14s. Instead of the poor birds being fucking shredded.)

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– Gizortnik 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Ukraine keeps what it has, but there's a DMZ between it and the Russian Vassal states (which are not annexed officially)

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– SupremeReader 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Theres no way Ukraine will ever agree for it, not after the ceasefire agreements from the 2010s that were violated in such a manner they were. They know Russia will try again in few years if is not defeated entirely now.

But they will need Western aircraft and armored vehicles for the offensive. Croatia 1995 style but with no pause. The problem is they should've been allowed to start training in the F-16s etc already on the first day in February, not just only now. The HIMARS and so and also should've been delivered asap. The West genuinely expected them to fall, like Afghanistan did, and when they didn't they waited to see if they will actually fight, then waited and waited more. Might also actually explain the sanctions, they might have thought the whole affair would only last few days. Now everyone are in for a long war.

Not the G*rmans but they were always pathological Russophiles. The French too, for all the theatrical posturing by Macron and even Le Pen, but nowhere to this degree as the fucking Germs.

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