I'm 1000000% voting for him in 2024 if he runs (or any Democrat) because the right has turned fascist.
Andrew Cuomo killed 50,000 people during the lockdowns by putting covid patients in nursing homes. An act that literally anyone with a brain knew would cause death. There have been non consequences to this action.
Governor Whitmer killed 18,000 people in the same way. There have also been no consequences to this action.
Additionally, Whitmer also released violent felons into nursing homes, which caused the deaths of many elderly patients and spiked elderly abuse at these nursing homes. Again, there have been no consequences to this policy.
The CDC explicitly stated that they would racially prioritize vaccine distributions to non-whites, and explicitly admitted that it would kill 9,000 people every year (likely whites)
The Biden Administration tried (and continues to try) and to set up a Ministry of Truth
The Biden Administration has explicitly funded and supported race riots
The Biden Administration is waging a proxy war against Russia without anyone's approval (beyond the 'Military Industrial Complex') you idiots refuse to give a shit about.
The Biden Administration has completely debased the US currency and printed us into a recession... most likely on purpose to introduce a new digital currency that will entirely eliminate financial independence for most people.
The Biden Administration has used the FBI as a political enforcement mechanism to arrest, investigate, and raid political opponents and dissidents. Besides creating a false-flag attack on Governor Whitmer (which is just normal FBI behavior), they also have arrested Republican candidates on trumped up charges about being present at a 400,000 person protest in DC on January 6th, as well as raided the homes of Project Veritas journalists at the behest of the New York Times to support the NYT in getting attorney-client privileged communications that they then published in order to try and bias the public and further defame Project Veritas.
The alleged January 6th rioters have been indefinitely imprisoned in a political prison. Many were detained in solitary confinement for over 8 months.
Many of the alleged January 6th rioters have been detained without charge for over 6 (by the way, the normal maximum is 48 hours).
Of the alleged January 6th rioters, there have been multiple cases of abuse that have been reported including refusal of medical care for a broken hand for at least 3 months, along with overflowing sewage cells that political prisoners are forced to sleep in.
For these same alleged rioters, a pre-condition of bail, political prisoners are expected to read Leftist ideology, recite it, and then recant their own previously held believes as a form of brainwashing.
In a more specific example of the detainee abuse of alleged January 6th rioters, the famous Q Anon Shaman accepted a plea deal with federal prosecutors where he publicly admitted that he was wrong to do what he did, recanted his support for Trump to the federal judge in court (both of which were requirements for his settlement), and begged for forgiveness. The judge heard this, agreed that he was sincere, thanked him for the apology, threw out the settlement and sentenced him to an additional 30 months in a federal prison.
In another specific example one alleged rioter only finally got to see his attorney for the first time after 6 months of incarceration on a single trespassing charge when he arrived in court, brought in full chains, leg cuffs, hand cuffs, and spit bag, despite having zero instances of violence or threatening violence to anyone at the prison or court.
Then there's the only police shooting that the Left has actively supported, encouraged, endorsed, and praised: the shooting of Ashley Babbit in the throat when she looked through a window. Something that Roe v Wade protesters have recently been much more violent about when they were kicking in doors and banging on windows at state capitals across the country. She is the only person to have actually died in the riot, and from the riot.
There were 155 days of race riots in 2020 that cost well beyond $2 Billion in damage and killed at least 35 people. This was done with the full throated support of the Democratic party as a whole, Kamala Harris explicitly, and the entire media that proceeded to tell us that a burning police station behind them was a "fiery, but mostly peaceful protest".
For over 155 days, Leftist terrorists attacked the Hatfield Federal Courthouse in Portland, going so far as to throw IED's and molotovs at police & the building, as well as one famous incident of trying to beat them to death with hammer.
The attacks on the Hatfield Federal Courthouse were supported by the Democratic Party and Kamala Harris directly, but also by the Mayor of Portland, and the Oregon Attorney General's office which attempted to file a lawsuit to forcibly remove the the defensive barricades that federal officials had emplaced (because they obstructed a sidewalk). This would have lead to the 150 federal agents (and a large number of prisoners in the building) to have been directly attacked molotovs and IED's with no defensive stand-off distance. Frankly, this act alone was an act of insurrection against the Federal government, as it was the attempt by the government of Oregon to facilitate the assassination and mass murder of over 150 federal agents and the dozens of prisoners in their custody.
There was also the murder of Aaron Danielson, which is still supported by the Leftists, and his killer was given the ability to make a fluff piece by Vice before he decided to pull guns on US Marshals who tried to apprehend him.
There was also the infamous NFAC's multiple attempts at racial intimidation, where firearms were dispersed to minors and black racialists who marched against tourists and governments making vague threats about potential violence to any government that refused to do whatever it was they were asking for. (They had 2 negligent discharges that wounded 3).
After Rayshard Brooks was shot by police, the Democratic Prosecutor charged two police in the shooting because they had shot him for pointing a tazer at them. The prosecutor claimed that this was an unjustified shooting because it wasn't a lethal weapon. He had previously charged police officers with crimes because he asserted that the tazer was a lethal weapon.
After this, the Wendy's where Rayshard Brooks was shot was burned down by Black National Socialists. This burning was celebrated at a musical awards show later that year.
After that, the rubble of the Wendy's was occupied by Black National Socialist militants who barricaded the street with armed gaurds and concrete barricades. When a car parked in the liquor store across the street from them, they fired on the vehicle, killing 8 year old Secoria Turner.
In a similar event in the Leftist Secessionist region called "The CHAZ" in Seattle. Two black teens stole an SUV and began to joyride it. Leftist militants mistook the vehicle for a "Proud Boy" ambush (because it had matched the description of a vehicle from an earlier drive-by-shooting), and proceeded to absolutely mag-dump the fucking vehicle, firing a fusillade of 200 rounds into it, killing one, and critically wounding the other. The Leftists videotapped themselves attempting to clean the crime scene of any evidence, including removing shell casings and stripping the vehicle of anything of value. The investigation has not produced any results.
The Federal Government pressured employers, as well as state employees to not only fire anyone who didn't take an anti-Covid injection, but did so without regard to whether or not doctors gave approval for the injection.
Multiple Press outlets not only advocated for mass injections without consent, but also advocated fines, jail time, the ending of emergency services, denial of emergency medical care, and the closing of bank accounts for anyone who hasn't taken the injection regardless of consent.
The Biden Administration works now, and has previously worked, with media and telecom companies to use moderation policies to silence dissent or objectionable stories from all parts of the political spectrum. Infamously, the Hunter Biden Laptop & Jeffery Epstien's murder are both part and parcel to that.
The Biden Administration has classified parents attending schoolboard meetings as a national security threat.
The Biden Administration has proposed creating an alternative Credit Score system that works like ESG's, and will allow banks to prevent people from having loans, mortgages, or banking services based on political activity, similar to a Social Credit system.
On May 29th 2020, there was a violent riot and actual attempted insurrection in Washington DC where hundreds of police officers were injured, including 11 Secret Service members, the security fencing for the white house was torn down, a guard post was set on fire, and the president was forced to be evacuated into a bunker. These riots continued for days.
A few days later on May 31st, 2020, St. Johns Episcapol Church was set on fire after rioters. DC Police were sent to disperse the mob, and the media responded by claiming that this was a publicity stunt.
In the Fall of 2020, John Podesta argued in a political war-game scenario, that if Biden did not win the election, he should call for states to secede from the union.
On January 20th, 2017, Antifa and Leftist rioters attacked the presidential inauguration route, leading to hundreds of police officer injuries, and somewhere around 200 arrests.
On June 14th, 2017, a Leftist militant named James Hodgkinson approached Ron DeSantis and James Duncan who asked them who all was gathering on the nearby baseball field. They confirmed that it was a congressional Republican charity event that was taking place. After the conversation, James Hodgkinson attempted to assassinate 24 republican congressmen. In the 10 minute gunbattle that ensued, Hodgkinson was killed, and 6 people were wounded including a Republican senator.
On the morning of June 8th 2022, Nicholas Roske approached two US Marshalls and confessed that he had come to assassinate Bret Kavanaugh, allowing him to be arrested without incident before his assassination attempt could take place.
As a result of the overturning of Roe v Wade, Leftists terrorists have attacked 27 "Crisis Pregnancy Centers" through a litany of means, including anything from firebombing to vandalism. No arrests have been made in any attack.
In Canada, as the result of a moral panic involving the claim of mass graves at Catholic Boarding Schools of native children, at least 64 Catholic churches were attacked. Many churches were burned to the ground after being firebombed in a Leftist terror campaign. Civil Rights organizations explicitly offered support for the terrorist attacks, and the Canadian government did little in the way of even investigating the terror campaign. This includes the CBC refusing to display the face of one arsonist who was caught on camera. Not one single grave has been unearthed, despite a small number of former schools disinterring the alleged grave sites. The rest have refused any attempt at disinterring the alleged grave sites.
As a result of of the incredibly harsh lockdown measures in Victoria, Australia. Two people self-immolated in protest to the restrictions.
I'm sorry, who's the fucking Fascists again?
This isn't even half of the shit that's happened. This is just stuff I remembered off the top of my head.
While there was never really any closure to it (because it got memory-holed), I stand by my theory that the mass shooting at the country music festival in Las Vegas was a Leftist attempting to kill "Trump Supporters." And that the media memory-holed it because if it came out that a Leftist killed almost 80 people and injured hundreds on the grounds of "Trump is a Fascist! The Media told me so!", it would have ended in a very bad time for them and their cause.
I don't think so. I haven't seen any evidence of a motive. And for someone who hates Trump supporters, he didn't just have guns, he had very expensive guns. This was a guy who was a serious collector.
I've done research on gun violence before, and one of the most interesting things I found was that the most effective way of removing guns from crime was just making guns expensive. In fact, most guns used in crime are the cheapest possible guns available to a criminal. Normally, this is because they intend to use it once and destroy it. This is also why they don't take care of their guns, and chose to steal guns, rather than buy them. Basically, if guns are available for under $200, those are the guns that are gonna get used in crime.
Even when it comes to mass shooters, we see stolen guns (sometimes guns that the family member owns, and is killed for), or guns that are relatively cheap for the income of the person involved.
But Las Vegas was totally different. This dude brought his armory with him. He didn't use most of the guns he had. And the guns he purchased were expensive and tricked out with accessories. You're looking at each gun being able to fetch at least $1500 at minimum.
It's possible he could have been a Leftist gun nut, but that's pretty rare for his demographic: older white men that are married. Typically, those gun collectors are all anti Left. And with Leftists, they have a very different taste in firearms than a lot of other people in the gun community. Yeah, everyone will have an AR, but the Lefty's tend to lean in towards the "bad-guy" guns like AK's and SKSs. They'd probably rather not own a FAL or an M-14. Certainly, they wouldn't be caught dead with Nazi weaponry. An SKS is what the Baseball Game shooter used.
It just doesn't seem like that. I think it's entirely possible that this was a mass murder-suicide. I don't think he even left a note.
Very fair points, but the fact it was memory-holed just doesnt sit well with me as a murder-suicide. I know some have tried to say it was some CIA-shit where he was killing people to cover up the assassination of some Saudi prince, but I dont buy it (not because I dont think an evil government would. Just that it doesnt follow in this instance). They were gearing up to use it as a gun control push item, and then just dropped it. Like it never happened. It was right around the same time they were beginning to investigate the shooter as well.
So they must have found something that freaked them out and they decided it would be more damaging to them than the need to push for gun control. So it just raises an eyebrow for me.
Of course, its also possible that it was a murder-suicide, but the media stopped covering it because they thought it could be seen as a political execution. Even if it wasnt.
If we were going down the conspiracy route, I'd say an attack like this could be dropped if it became clear that the shooter was a foreign state operative.
It's something you actually see a lot when you look into UFO's.
Most UFO stories are kinda bullshit. But the most legitimate ones involve the fact that the government suddenly realizes it doesn't have control over it's own airspace, and needs to absolutely bury that information.
Sputnik launched the space race, primarily because the American people were fucking terrified that the Russians could put visible satellites into orbit over the US. The US had literally zero capability of intercepting such satellites. So the only next logical question was: "what if the next satellite has a bomb on it instead?"
At that exact moment the US military got directly involved in Space & Intelligence operations. The US military was happy to get funding, and even share it with the civilian sector into investigating space-born threats, but they absolutely buried any information about the fact that the Soviets weren't just ahead of us in the space race, they were absolutely spying on the US, and effectively for years, even after the Apollo program.
The Soviets had a bunch of insane programs that the US doesn't talk about. Including child pilots that would be effectively Kamakazie nuclear pilots in the event of a nuclear exchange, and Astrospies: people who stayed in Russian spy satellites to take secret pictures because the Soviet Union didn't have the technology to actually communicate and control some of the spy satellites controls remotely.
The single most legitimate UFO incident in human history appears to be the Kecksburg, PA crash. Unlike every UFO story you've ever heard, this one is so pants-shittingly obvious that there's no way to argue the events described didn't happen. A fireball appears over the midwest in the middle of the night. Fucking everyone sees. Literally hundreds of witnesses. Like, everyone. Including two police officers who see it fly over head and then crash. Air Traffic Control towers track the object until it's crash and notify emergency services. The police spend a long time looking for it until they come upon the crash site. As they approach the glow in the forest, US Army soldiers, M1 Garands in hand, approach them and order them to stop and not come closer. The cops ask the guards wtf is going on, and they tell them that even they don't know, but their orders are to prevent anyone from coming any closer. At which point, they call the police chief and tell him to come down, and the police chief calls the fucking mayor, and asks him to come down too. Eventually the scene becomes ridiculous as these cops, the mayor, the police chief, and these soldiers stand awkwardly chatting until more people from the military come by and tell them nothing, all while heavy equipment trucks begin to drive down the nearby road and into the fucking woods. Eventually the unit commander, a Colonel of some sort also tells the mayor, police chief, and two LE officers that they still can't come in, but there's been some kind of a crash. No one's hurt, but they can't see the site. Eventually, 2 literal men in black identifying themselves as working for a government agency tell them that this is a crash site and it's a matter of national security. However... they do say that they can't clear the crash site of material without physically removing the debris which is a bit large. They ask the mayor and police chief if they can help the soldiers move the debris to the local USAF base with a police escort through the nearby towns so they don't have to stop. The mayor and police chief agree. The mayor then describes that a massive bell-shaped object with a tarp over it was placed on the back of a flatbed truck, and the convoy moved through the night to the Air Force base, lights and sirens blaring, and again, hundreds of witnesses agree with the size & description of the object. Finally, everyone in the convoy makes it to the Air Force base safe and sound, and they promise to update the mayor on what the fuck happened when they can.
A week later the mayor called the Air Force base and they said that there was never a convoy, never an object, never a crash, and no one came to the Air Force base that night.
I assume the words, "Bitch I was fucking there!" may have been used.
The DoD then denied that literally anything ever happened in Kecksburg PA for forty fucking years. Truth is, it appears that it may have been a Soviet capsule (or I'd argue a spy satellite). Russia, to this day, specifically denies that it was a Soviet spacecraft, or that such a space craft would have been in orbit at that time.
Similarly, although NATO has reported tons of Russian incursions and maneuvers in it's own intel briefs, normally no one reports these events until the government starts giving the press the right to report on it. Some people in the US knew that we flew fake bombing runs at the Soviets in the Cold War to detect their nuclear air defense capability, almost none of them know that the Soviet Union did the same to the US to the tune of hundreds of thousands of sorties that were actively being intercepted by the Canadian Air Force. There was even a point and time in the Obama administration that the Russians managed to fly a Yak Bomber into the Gulf of Mexico. How the fuck it got there, I don't know.
If you remember the concept of terrorist Sleeper Cells, that was something that was taken from something (again) the soviets had been doing. I think it was in 2005 or 2010 when FBI agents and US Marshals kicked in the door of a family home in Pennsylvania and scared the bejesus out of the 3 kids that were there. The kids were already worried because when they got home from school, their parents weren't there. Both their mother and father were gone and didn't leave a note. Turns out Mom and Dad were long-term Soviet Spies that had moved to the US from Russia in the 1970's, and were still actively spying for Russia. They got word that the Feds were coming and they (probably quite sadly) had to abandon their children and run for their lives. Their children had absolutely no knowledge that their parents were both Soviet Agents, and they never told their kids.
Even worse, we can talk about the KGB Archives and Venona chronicles that clearly identify that not only was the KGB explicitly bankrolling Communist activity in Hollywood during the collapse of the Soviet Union, but also that possibly 1/3rd of the State Department had been infiltrated by Soviet spies, were informants, were sources, or were agents.
You'll also note that you tend not to hear of American defectors to the Soviet Union either. Including scientists that worked on the American nuclear program because they McAruthr and LeMay were arguing for preemptive nuclear bombardments rather than conventional wars in order to create American hegemony.
The lesson here is that when the US government actually doesn't have control over it's own borders, or that there is evidence of significant penetration into US "territory", the government absolutely buries the fuck out of whatever it is.
If this were a terrorist attack by a foreign government that the US didn't want a war with, then yeah, they would absolutely bury it.
Then there's the only police shooting that the Left has actively supported, encouraged, endorsed, and praised: the shooting of Ashley Babbit in the throat when she looked through a window.
I agree with most of what you say and your general point, but this is not true. She was climbing through the window. She was attempting to gain entry to where the politicians were. Her death was tragic but the guard was not wrong to shoot.
He very much was. Even approaching the president of the US is not nearly enough to shoot someone to death. Climbing through a window is not imminent lethal force. She didn't have a weapon, and wasn't demonstrating lethal intent. And despite the claim of some of the police, it doesn't explain the fact that the police who were among the crowd didn't feel that they were in threat of lethal force.
Even approaching the president of the US is not nearly enough to shoot someone to death.
That is not this. It's completely different when you've had a mob of people yelling and screaming about traitors and trying to gain entrance to the building, and then after they do that they approach your internal barricade, smash through the glass and one of them tries to climb through to the politicians you're charged with protecting.
The imminent lethal force was the mob's violent and persistent attempt to gain entrance. I would say exactly the same thing if it was a BLM riot, and so would you.
J6 isn't what the Dems make it out to be but don't delude yourself into thinking it was a bunch of smiling picnickers or something. They were angry, they were aggressive, they were unpredictable, and from the guard's perspective they had breached both the building and the barricade.
No, they were let into the building, didn't smash any barricades, but were pounding on the doors and someone broke some glass.
Also, there were no politicians in the room at that time, they'd already long since been evacuated. Literally none of that amounts to a need of deadly force.
The imminent lethal force was the mob's violent and persistent attempt to gain entrance. I would say exactly the same thing if it was a BLM riot, and so would you.
No, I wouldn't. I'd like you to point to me where I would. The crowd would have had to have actually demonstrated lethal intent. And specifically the the person you were shooting at. You can't shoot into crowds. Someone specific has to be doing something lethal.
BLM has done far worse than this without anyone using lethal force.
Best example comes form this. That's a police station. Do you know how many BLM & Antifa terrorists were killed in that attack? Zero. Do you know why? Because the police were never justified in killing them.
It became clear early in the night that the absolutely wide-spread rioting in Minneapolis was totally uncontrollable as multiple police stations were actually under siege by violent rioters hurling rocks and bricks at anything that moved. The 3rd Precinct called for backup, and were told that due to the level of violence in the city, no backup would be coming. They were instructed that they would either have to due their best to hold out until the next day and maybe state police or reserve police could assist, or they'd have to abandon the station. They held out until rioters broke through the fence to the motor pool, and police fired into the crowd with automatic weapons and killed 52.
Oh no wait, that last part didn't happen.
They threw flashbangs at the crowd and pelted them with pepper-ball guns until they fucked off because even in that situation where a violent, angry, mob that wants to burn down the building busts through your final static defense, you still can't just kill everyone that walks in.
It was at that point that the police decided that they had to evacuate the precinct. They stowed every weapon in the armory into any available vehicle that they could, and took whatever evidence they could secure into vehicles, crammed themselves in, and literally made a fucking break for it. They literally drove through the broken fence in a convoy streaming out of the police station as fireworks, rocks, and bricks were thrown at the cars. Some protesters even got pretty close to the cars as they drove out. As the convoy left, several officers fired their guns into the attacking protesters, and 3 were wounded.
Actually, no, I lied on that last part again.
Once again the police responded by throwing stingball grenades, flashbangs, deploying mace, and pepper-ball guns at the crowd if any attempted to approach the vehicles.
A police station, filled with armed police, was violently attacked by terrorists who tried to burn down the precinct and not one single person was killed. One person crossing a barricade is not justification to shoot them on site and it never was, and never has been, ever. At least within law enforcement.
Until I see the US military deploying kill lines and their corresponding public signs that say "ANYONE CROSSING THIS SIGN WILL BE SHOT" in multiple languages, then it wasn't legitimate.
By contrast, QAnon Shaman also entered the same room from the 2nd floor a few minutes later. No one was killed.
J6 isn't what the Dems make it out to be but don't delude yourself into thinking it was a bunch of smiling picnickers or something.
Except that was the majority of them, even the ones inside the Capitol.
In fact, since you want to be intentionally stupid, do you know how many of the violent ones were killed?
That's right, fucking zero. Because even when angry, violent, people are fighting cops in the rotunda, the correct answer is a flashbang, not a machine gun.
In fact, let's look at the crowd that Ashley Babbit was standing in. The fucking SWAT officers that came to her aide were standing amongst that exact same crowd and didn't kill anyone. In fact, at first, several people in the crowd were so surprised they were calling verbally for the police because they thought there was an active shooter. Not only that, but when some people in the crowd realized that the security staff had shot her, they began screaming at the SWAT officers. The crowd was more agitated after she'd been killed. And yet, astonishingly, against everything you believe, the SWAT team killed absolutely no one. In fact, one angry protester looked through the shattered glass where the bullet had gone through at the officer who shot her, and very explicitly told the officer that he had murdered her, and wanted to know if that made him feel like he was tough. Amazingly this same officer didn't shoot the man doing exactly the same thing Ashley Babbit did. As if he knew that he might have made a fucking mistake.
And since that isn't going to break through your cognitive dissonance, let's talk about the number of rounds fired. Police are trained to fire until the threat stops. She was shot in the chest, but she was on a window. She did't fall straight down, she actually was alive long enough to climb down after the shot. If we assume that she was such a lethal threat that she was going to bust through the window and kill all the senators that weren't there with her no weapons, it would make sense to keep shooting until she can't threaten the lives of the senators anymore. This would include drawing a weapon. If she was a real threat, she probably should have been shot several more times on the window, and on the way down, until she collapsed, but that didn't happen either.
They were angry, they were aggressive, they were unpredictable, and from the guard's perspective they had breached both the building and the barricade.
Yes, let's look at that. Why did one and only one police officer shoot her. I shouldn't have to show you a dozen police videos of cops firing an absolute fusillade of gunfire against people who present lethal threats, but you should look it up if you haven't seen it. Check out the recent shooting in Akron, OH. In that case all of the officers saw the same threat, and all of them responded to that threat. In this case, no one saw what the shooter saw, and no one else fired.
At the very least, I think there's more than enough for a proper fucking investigation... but we're not going to get that because the people on the political right aren't human to the establishment. Our murders are a moral imperative that requires celebration, as every Leftist has shown in their reaction to every murder we've seen so far.
No, they were let into the building, didn't smash any barricades, but were pounding on the doors and someone broke some glass.
They were let in, but there were also people banging on the doors and yelling. I remember watching it. Pretty sure there were people climbing to the windows ( some of them might have been Antifa?) and shouting about Mike Pence being a traitor.
Ashli Babbit and others were trying to break through an interior, barricaded door. They were chanting"break it down" as they smashed through the glass. Ashli climbed through. That is smashing a barricade.
I'm not 100% clear on how many lawmakers were left to protect, supposedly some were still sheltering nearby, but the officer's job was to protect the politicians, the location, and himself. It's not fucking relevant whether police shot at BLM during the riots. In the situation you cite it would have been completely justified. It was justified here. A credibly violent mob was breaking through a defensive barricade inside the Capitol and threatening the people within.
If we assume that she was such a lethal threat that she was going to bust through the window and kill all the senators that weren't there with her no weapons, it would make sense to keep shooting until she can't threaten the lives of the senators anymore.
Are you seriously making the point that the threat wasn't genuine because he didn't empty the whole fucking clip into her - from a very awkward angle by the way - and then keep firing at the rest of the crowd? That's complete nonsense. By your reasoning, maybe Kyle Rittenhouse wasn't really threatened because he shot each assailant once and didn't massacre everyone else? If the officer stopped firing because he realized the rest of the mob were staying put, good. At that point it no longer made sense to shoot.
But if I was guarding against an encroaching mob of unknown number, unknown arms, and presumably violent intent, I'd have done what he did. I'd have shot BLM rioters. I'd have shot Ashli Babbit or whoever else came through that window, and I'd feel sad about it but I'd also feel completely justified. Maybe you'd handle it differently. Maybe you'd walk up them and shake their hand or something.
Yes, there are horrific double standards. Yes, this deserves a proper investigation. Yes, we're not going to get one and yes the entire narrative about J6 is bogus political theater.
The shooting was still justified in the circumstances.
They were chanting"break it down" as they smashed through the glass. Ashli climbed through. That is smashing a barricade.
Except that's not on video, I know, I've watched it.
the officer's job was to protect the politicians, the location, and himself. It's not fucking relevant whether police shot at BLM during the riots.
Yes it is, and the fact that they didn't kill everyone that threw a rock, or walked through the broken down fence is an indication that you don't know what the hell you are talking about when it comes to lethal force.
A Lethal threat has to be present and it has to be specific. That imminent lethal threat didn't appear in either case. The cops in Minneapolis didn't fire, because they didn't have justification to do so.
Are you seriously making the point that the threat wasn't genuine because he didn't empty the whole fucking clip into her - from a very awkward angle by the way - and then keep firing at the rest of the crowd? That's complete nonsense.
Bullshit, it's your argument. Either the crowd and her were an ongoing lethal threat, or they fucking weren't. You've given me non-stop excuses about how the crowd was a lethal threat, and yet no one treated them like that, even the shooter. The reason no one treated them as a lethal threat is because you're wrong. If you were right, dumping rounds into both of them would have been entirely acceptable, as it was in Akron, Ohio.
But if I was guarding against an encroaching mob of unknown number, unknown arms, and presumably violent intent, I'd have done what he did. I'd have shot BLM rioters.
And you'd be a murderer in every state in the union. This is because you are ignorant of the law and self-defense, and you clearly didn't watch the videos. You're either a troll, a fed, or a Leftist. One way or another, you're fucking igonrant.
Kyle Rittenhouse fired:
At Joseph Rosenbaum for pursuing him and grabbing his gun - Ashley Babbit did neither of these things.
At Gaige Grosskruetz for pointing a gun at him - Ashley Babbit did not do this
At "Jump Kick Man" for attempting to stomp his head in while he was immobilized on the ground - Ashley Babbit did not do this.
At Anthony Huber for striking him in the head with a blunt weapon force weapon - Ashley Babbit did not do this.
Rosenbaum, Grosskruetz, Huber, and "Jump Kick" all used lethal force on Rittenhouse, to which he responded with lethal force. He did not randomly fire into a crowd, and he did not fire at everyone who approached him. That's what you are saying you would do.
That is why Rittenhouse's actions are worthy of fucking lecture in self-defense courses as one of the single best real world defensive gun uses in history, and yours would be murder. As would the Capitol Hill Shooter's if we had a justice system worth anything.
Yes, there are horrific double standards. Yes, this deserves a proper investigation. Yes, we're not going to get one and yes the entire narrative about J6 is bogus political theater.
Bullshit, faggot. What are you up to, and why are you concern trolling at people you're glad to see dead.
A Lethal threat has to be present and it has to be specific. That imminent lethal threat didn't appear in either case. The cops in Minneapolis didn't fire, because they didn't have justification to do so.
I don't care what the police think is a lethal threat. I don't care what is "legally" justified. I care about what's going through the guy's head at the time, when he's firing at people who are yelling and breaking through his barricade, who could potentially overwhelm him and his fellow officers whether armed or not.
And you'd be a murderer in every state in the union.
At least I'd be alive to be a murderer. I'm not stopping to microanalyze every facet of a threat before I decide if I need to shoot at aggressive assailants. If you knowingly present a significant threat to someone holding a gun, expect to get shot.
One way or another, you're fucking igonrant.
Sure, Mister "they shot her for looking through a window".
What are you up to, and why are you concern trolling at people you're glad to see dead.
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Sorry dude, accuracy is important and you've been framing this dishonestly from the start. I'm not going to derail by accusing you of being a leftist/concern troll/whatever, but this "conversation" feels just like I'm arguing with one.
But I believe we should be using their own tactics against them, so congratulations for that. Maybe I should be learning from you.
They think the left likes biden? Lmfao I only voted for him because I felt like it was damage control compared to trump
What a fucking moron.
No, we don't think the left like Biden. We the left has such a pathologically, irrationally deranged reaction to Trump that they will vote for literally anything to keep him out, no matter how terrible the thing they're voting for is.
These people are so stupid, it's a wonder they can even breath.
they've always called the right nazi fascist regardless of actual policies, they're only saying the right has gone to the deep end to gas light the normies who don't pay attention to politics into thinking that the society has always been accepting the current clown world degeneracies and the right is being radical extremists for trying to stop univerversally accepted values
As a former leftie, I will tell you, no one ever is left enough for the left. It won't matter if it is Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders. This is basically why forums like KotakuInAction, TumblrInAction and such started, the left keeps going in a toxic purity sprial.
I'm sorry, who's the fucking Fascists again?
This isn't even half of the shit that's happened. This is just stuff I remembered off the top of my head.
While there was never really any closure to it (because it got memory-holed), I stand by my theory that the mass shooting at the country music festival in Las Vegas was a Leftist attempting to kill "Trump Supporters." And that the media memory-holed it because if it came out that a Leftist killed almost 80 people and injured hundreds on the grounds of "Trump is a Fascist! The Media told me so!", it would have ended in a very bad time for them and their cause.
I don't think so. I haven't seen any evidence of a motive. And for someone who hates Trump supporters, he didn't just have guns, he had very expensive guns. This was a guy who was a serious collector.
I've done research on gun violence before, and one of the most interesting things I found was that the most effective way of removing guns from crime was just making guns expensive. In fact, most guns used in crime are the cheapest possible guns available to a criminal. Normally, this is because they intend to use it once and destroy it. This is also why they don't take care of their guns, and chose to steal guns, rather than buy them. Basically, if guns are available for under $200, those are the guns that are gonna get used in crime.
Even when it comes to mass shooters, we see stolen guns (sometimes guns that the family member owns, and is killed for), or guns that are relatively cheap for the income of the person involved.
But Las Vegas was totally different. This dude brought his armory with him. He didn't use most of the guns he had. And the guns he purchased were expensive and tricked out with accessories. You're looking at each gun being able to fetch at least $1500 at minimum.
It's possible he could have been a Leftist gun nut, but that's pretty rare for his demographic: older white men that are married. Typically, those gun collectors are all anti Left. And with Leftists, they have a very different taste in firearms than a lot of other people in the gun community. Yeah, everyone will have an AR, but the Lefty's tend to lean in towards the "bad-guy" guns like AK's and SKSs. They'd probably rather not own a FAL or an M-14. Certainly, they wouldn't be caught dead with Nazi weaponry. An SKS is what the Baseball Game shooter used.
It just doesn't seem like that. I think it's entirely possible that this was a mass murder-suicide. I don't think he even left a note.
Very fair points, but the fact it was memory-holed just doesnt sit well with me as a murder-suicide. I know some have tried to say it was some CIA-shit where he was killing people to cover up the assassination of some Saudi prince, but I dont buy it (not because I dont think an evil government would. Just that it doesnt follow in this instance). They were gearing up to use it as a gun control push item, and then just dropped it. Like it never happened. It was right around the same time they were beginning to investigate the shooter as well.
So they must have found something that freaked them out and they decided it would be more damaging to them than the need to push for gun control. So it just raises an eyebrow for me.
Of course, its also possible that it was a murder-suicide, but the media stopped covering it because they thought it could be seen as a political execution. Even if it wasnt.
If we were going down the conspiracy route, I'd say an attack like this could be dropped if it became clear that the shooter was a foreign state operative.
It's something you actually see a lot when you look into UFO's.
Most UFO stories are kinda bullshit. But the most legitimate ones involve the fact that the government suddenly realizes it doesn't have control over it's own airspace, and needs to absolutely bury that information.
Sputnik launched the space race, primarily because the American people were fucking terrified that the Russians could put visible satellites into orbit over the US. The US had literally zero capability of intercepting such satellites. So the only next logical question was: "what if the next satellite has a bomb on it instead?"
At that exact moment the US military got directly involved in Space & Intelligence operations. The US military was happy to get funding, and even share it with the civilian sector into investigating space-born threats, but they absolutely buried any information about the fact that the Soviets weren't just ahead of us in the space race, they were absolutely spying on the US, and effectively for years, even after the Apollo program.
The Soviets had a bunch of insane programs that the US doesn't talk about. Including child pilots that would be effectively Kamakazie nuclear pilots in the event of a nuclear exchange, and Astrospies: people who stayed in Russian spy satellites to take secret pictures because the Soviet Union didn't have the technology to actually communicate and control some of the spy satellites controls remotely.
The single most legitimate UFO incident in human history appears to be the Kecksburg, PA crash. Unlike every UFO story you've ever heard, this one is so pants-shittingly obvious that there's no way to argue the events described didn't happen. A fireball appears over the midwest in the middle of the night. Fucking everyone sees. Literally hundreds of witnesses. Like, everyone. Including two police officers who see it fly over head and then crash. Air Traffic Control towers track the object until it's crash and notify emergency services. The police spend a long time looking for it until they come upon the crash site. As they approach the glow in the forest, US Army soldiers, M1 Garands in hand, approach them and order them to stop and not come closer. The cops ask the guards wtf is going on, and they tell them that even they don't know, but their orders are to prevent anyone from coming any closer. At which point, they call the police chief and tell him to come down, and the police chief calls the fucking mayor, and asks him to come down too. Eventually the scene becomes ridiculous as these cops, the mayor, the police chief, and these soldiers stand awkwardly chatting until more people from the military come by and tell them nothing, all while heavy equipment trucks begin to drive down the nearby road and into the fucking woods. Eventually the unit commander, a Colonel of some sort also tells the mayor, police chief, and two LE officers that they still can't come in, but there's been some kind of a crash. No one's hurt, but they can't see the site. Eventually, 2 literal men in black identifying themselves as working for a government agency tell them that this is a crash site and it's a matter of national security. However... they do say that they can't clear the crash site of material without physically removing the debris which is a bit large. They ask the mayor and police chief if they can help the soldiers move the debris to the local USAF base with a police escort through the nearby towns so they don't have to stop. The mayor and police chief agree. The mayor then describes that a massive bell-shaped object with a tarp over it was placed on the back of a flatbed truck, and the convoy moved through the night to the Air Force base, lights and sirens blaring, and again, hundreds of witnesses agree with the size & description of the object. Finally, everyone in the convoy makes it to the Air Force base safe and sound, and they promise to update the mayor on what the fuck happened when they can.
A week later the mayor called the Air Force base and they said that there was never a convoy, never an object, never a crash, and no one came to the Air Force base that night.
I assume the words, "Bitch I was fucking there!" may have been used.
The DoD then denied that literally anything ever happened in Kecksburg PA for forty fucking years. Truth is, it appears that it may have been a Soviet capsule (or I'd argue a spy satellite). Russia, to this day, specifically denies that it was a Soviet spacecraft, or that such a space craft would have been in orbit at that time.
Similarly, although NATO has reported tons of Russian incursions and maneuvers in it's own intel briefs, normally no one reports these events until the government starts giving the press the right to report on it. Some people in the US knew that we flew fake bombing runs at the Soviets in the Cold War to detect their nuclear air defense capability, almost none of them know that the Soviet Union did the same to the US to the tune of hundreds of thousands of sorties that were actively being intercepted by the Canadian Air Force. There was even a point and time in the Obama administration that the Russians managed to fly a Yak Bomber into the Gulf of Mexico. How the fuck it got there, I don't know.
If you remember the concept of terrorist Sleeper Cells, that was something that was taken from something (again) the soviets had been doing. I think it was in 2005 or 2010 when FBI agents and US Marshals kicked in the door of a family home in Pennsylvania and scared the bejesus out of the 3 kids that were there. The kids were already worried because when they got home from school, their parents weren't there. Both their mother and father were gone and didn't leave a note. Turns out Mom and Dad were long-term Soviet Spies that had moved to the US from Russia in the 1970's, and were still actively spying for Russia. They got word that the Feds were coming and they (probably quite sadly) had to abandon their children and run for their lives. Their children had absolutely no knowledge that their parents were both Soviet Agents, and they never told their kids.
Even worse, we can talk about the KGB Archives and Venona chronicles that clearly identify that not only was the KGB explicitly bankrolling Communist activity in Hollywood during the collapse of the Soviet Union, but also that possibly 1/3rd of the State Department had been infiltrated by Soviet spies, were informants, were sources, or were agents.
You'll also note that you tend not to hear of American defectors to the Soviet Union either. Including scientists that worked on the American nuclear program because they McAruthr and LeMay were arguing for preemptive nuclear bombardments rather than conventional wars in order to create American hegemony.
The lesson here is that when the US government actually doesn't have control over it's own borders, or that there is evidence of significant penetration into US "territory", the government absolutely buries the fuck out of whatever it is.
If this were a terrorist attack by a foreign government that the US didn't want a war with, then yeah, they would absolutely bury it.
Trump gave them bump stocks and that was the end of it.
I agree with most of what you say and your general point, but this is not true. She was climbing through the window. She was attempting to gain entry to where the politicians were. Her death was tragic but the guard was not wrong to shoot.
He very much was. Even approaching the president of the US is not nearly enough to shoot someone to death. Climbing through a window is not imminent lethal force. She didn't have a weapon, and wasn't demonstrating lethal intent. And despite the claim of some of the police, it doesn't explain the fact that the police who were among the crowd didn't feel that they were in threat of lethal force.
That is not this. It's completely different when you've had a mob of people yelling and screaming about traitors and trying to gain entrance to the building, and then after they do that they approach your internal barricade, smash through the glass and one of them tries to climb through to the politicians you're charged with protecting.
The imminent lethal force was the mob's violent and persistent attempt to gain entrance. I would say exactly the same thing if it was a BLM riot, and so would you.
J6 isn't what the Dems make it out to be but don't delude yourself into thinking it was a bunch of smiling picnickers or something. They were angry, they were aggressive, they were unpredictable, and from the guard's perspective they had breached both the building and the barricade.
No, they were let into the building, didn't smash any barricades, but were pounding on the doors and someone broke some glass.
Also, there were no politicians in the room at that time, they'd already long since been evacuated. Literally none of that amounts to a need of deadly force.
No, I wouldn't. I'd like you to point to me where I would. The crowd would have had to have actually demonstrated lethal intent. And specifically the the person you were shooting at. You can't shoot into crowds. Someone specific has to be doing something lethal.
BLM has done far worse than this without anyone using lethal force.
Best example comes form this. That's a police station. Do you know how many BLM & Antifa terrorists were killed in that attack? Zero. Do you know why? Because the police were never justified in killing them.
It became clear early in the night that the absolutely wide-spread rioting in Minneapolis was totally uncontrollable as multiple police stations were actually under siege by violent rioters hurling rocks and bricks at anything that moved. The 3rd Precinct called for backup, and were told that due to the level of violence in the city, no backup would be coming. They were instructed that they would either have to due their best to hold out until the next day and maybe state police or reserve police could assist, or they'd have to abandon the station. They held out until rioters broke through the fence to the motor pool, and police fired into the crowd with automatic weapons and killed 52.
Oh no wait, that last part didn't happen.
They threw flashbangs at the crowd and pelted them with pepper-ball guns until they fucked off because even in that situation where a violent, angry, mob that wants to burn down the building busts through your final static defense, you still can't just kill everyone that walks in.
It was at that point that the police decided that they had to evacuate the precinct. They stowed every weapon in the armory into any available vehicle that they could, and took whatever evidence they could secure into vehicles, crammed themselves in, and literally made a fucking break for it. They literally drove through the broken fence in a convoy streaming out of the police station as fireworks, rocks, and bricks were thrown at the cars. Some protesters even got pretty close to the cars as they drove out. As the convoy left, several officers fired their guns into the attacking protesters, and 3 were wounded.
Actually, no, I lied on that last part again.
Once again the police responded by throwing stingball grenades, flashbangs, deploying mace, and pepper-ball guns at the crowd if any attempted to approach the vehicles.
A police station, filled with armed police, was violently attacked by terrorists who tried to burn down the precinct and not one single person was killed. One person crossing a barricade is not justification to shoot them on site and it never was, and never has been, ever. At least within law enforcement.
Until I see the US military deploying kill lines and their corresponding public signs that say "ANYONE CROSSING THIS SIGN WILL BE SHOT" in multiple languages, then it wasn't legitimate.
By contrast, QAnon Shaman also entered the same room from the 2nd floor a few minutes later. No one was killed.
Except that was the majority of them, even the ones inside the Capitol.
In fact, since you want to be intentionally stupid, do you know how many of the violent ones were killed?
That's right, fucking zero. Because even when angry, violent, people are fighting cops in the rotunda, the correct answer is a flashbang, not a machine gun.
In fact, let's look at the crowd that Ashley Babbit was standing in. The fucking SWAT officers that came to her aide were standing amongst that exact same crowd and didn't kill anyone. In fact, at first, several people in the crowd were so surprised they were calling verbally for the police because they thought there was an active shooter. Not only that, but when some people in the crowd realized that the security staff had shot her, they began screaming at the SWAT officers. The crowd was more agitated after she'd been killed. And yet, astonishingly, against everything you believe, the SWAT team killed absolutely no one. In fact, one angry protester looked through the shattered glass where the bullet had gone through at the officer who shot her, and very explicitly told the officer that he had murdered her, and wanted to know if that made him feel like he was tough. Amazingly this same officer didn't shoot the man doing exactly the same thing Ashley Babbit did. As if he knew that he might have made a fucking mistake.
And since that isn't going to break through your cognitive dissonance, let's talk about the number of rounds fired. Police are trained to fire until the threat stops. She was shot in the chest, but she was on a window. She did't fall straight down, she actually was alive long enough to climb down after the shot. If we assume that she was such a lethal threat that she was going to bust through the window and kill all the senators that weren't there with her no weapons, it would make sense to keep shooting until she can't threaten the lives of the senators anymore. This would include drawing a weapon. If she was a real threat, she probably should have been shot several more times on the window, and on the way down, until she collapsed, but that didn't happen either.
Yes, let's look at that. Why did one and only one police officer shoot her. I shouldn't have to show you a dozen police videos of cops firing an absolute fusillade of gunfire against people who present lethal threats, but you should look it up if you haven't seen it. Check out the recent shooting in Akron, OH. In that case all of the officers saw the same threat, and all of them responded to that threat. In this case, no one saw what the shooter saw, and no one else fired.
At the very least, I think there's more than enough for a proper fucking investigation... but we're not going to get that because the people on the political right aren't human to the establishment. Our murders are a moral imperative that requires celebration, as every Leftist has shown in their reaction to every murder we've seen so far.
They were let in, but there were also people banging on the doors and yelling. I remember watching it. Pretty sure there were people climbing to the windows ( some of them might have been Antifa?) and shouting about Mike Pence being a traitor.
Ashli Babbit and others were trying to break through an interior, barricaded door. They were chanting"break it down" as they smashed through the glass. Ashli climbed through. That is smashing a barricade.
I'm not 100% clear on how many lawmakers were left to protect, supposedly some were still sheltering nearby, but the officer's job was to protect the politicians, the location, and himself. It's not fucking relevant whether police shot at BLM during the riots. In the situation you cite it would have been completely justified. It was justified here. A credibly violent mob was breaking through a defensive barricade inside the Capitol and threatening the people within.
Are you seriously making the point that the threat wasn't genuine because he didn't empty the whole fucking clip into her - from a very awkward angle by the way - and then keep firing at the rest of the crowd? That's complete nonsense. By your reasoning, maybe Kyle Rittenhouse wasn't really threatened because he shot each assailant once and didn't massacre everyone else? If the officer stopped firing because he realized the rest of the mob were staying put, good. At that point it no longer made sense to shoot.
But if I was guarding against an encroaching mob of unknown number, unknown arms, and presumably violent intent, I'd have done what he did. I'd have shot BLM rioters. I'd have shot Ashli Babbit or whoever else came through that window, and I'd feel sad about it but I'd also feel completely justified. Maybe you'd handle it differently. Maybe you'd walk up them and shake their hand or something.
Yes, there are horrific double standards. Yes, this deserves a proper investigation. Yes, we're not going to get one and yes the entire narrative about J6 is bogus political theater.
The shooting was still justified in the circumstances.
Except that's not on video, I know, I've watched it.
Yes it is, and the fact that they didn't kill everyone that threw a rock, or walked through the broken down fence is an indication that you don't know what the hell you are talking about when it comes to lethal force.
A Lethal threat has to be present and it has to be specific. That imminent lethal threat didn't appear in either case. The cops in Minneapolis didn't fire, because they didn't have justification to do so.
Bullshit, it's your argument. Either the crowd and her were an ongoing lethal threat, or they fucking weren't. You've given me non-stop excuses about how the crowd was a lethal threat, and yet no one treated them like that, even the shooter. The reason no one treated them as a lethal threat is because you're wrong. If you were right, dumping rounds into both of them would have been entirely acceptable, as it was in Akron, Ohio.
And you'd be a murderer in every state in the union. This is because you are ignorant of the law and self-defense, and you clearly didn't watch the videos. You're either a troll, a fed, or a Leftist. One way or another, you're fucking igonrant.
Kyle Rittenhouse fired:
Rosenbaum, Grosskruetz, Huber, and "Jump Kick" all used lethal force on Rittenhouse, to which he responded with lethal force. He did not randomly fire into a crowd, and he did not fire at everyone who approached him. That's what you are saying you would do.
That is why Rittenhouse's actions are worthy of fucking lecture in self-defense courses as one of the single best real world defensive gun uses in history, and yours would be murder. As would the Capitol Hill Shooter's if we had a justice system worth anything.
Bullshit, faggot. What are you up to, and why are you concern trolling at people you're glad to see dead.
It's hard to find video of this anymore, so you'll forgive me linking to the NBC website
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/capitol-shooting-that-led-to-ashli-babbitt-s-death-captured-on-video-99180613572
I don't care what the police think is a lethal threat. I don't care what is "legally" justified. I care about what's going through the guy's head at the time, when he's firing at people who are yelling and breaking through his barricade, who could potentially overwhelm him and his fellow officers whether armed or not.
At least I'd be alive to be a murderer. I'm not stopping to microanalyze every facet of a threat before I decide if I need to shoot at aggressive assailants. If you knowingly present a significant threat to someone holding a gun, expect to get shot.
Sure, Mister "they shot her for looking through a window".
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Sorry dude, accuracy is important and you've been framing this dishonestly from the start. I'm not going to derail by accusing you of being a leftist/concern troll/whatever, but this "conversation" feels just like I'm arguing with one.
But I believe we should be using their own tactics against them, so congratulations for that. Maybe I should be learning from you.
I always find it weird that super liberal Elon is modern day "far right", but I'd really like to hear the justification for Zuck Bucks.
Businessman = Far-Right Lex Luthor Supervillain.
What a fucking moron.
No, we don't think the left like Biden. We the left has such a pathologically, irrationally deranged reaction to Trump that they will vote for literally anything to keep him out, no matter how terrible the thing they're voting for is.
These people are so stupid, it's a wonder they can even breath.
At this point, this kinda maliciousness is just plain evil.
"I genuinely cannot think of a moderate Republican, they've all gone off the deep end."
Imagine thinking that Mitt Romney or Liz Chaney aren't the the most milquetoast moderates imaginable.
they've always called the right nazi fascist regardless of actual policies, they're only saying the right has gone to the deep end to gas light the normies who don't pay attention to politics into thinking that the society has always been accepting the current clown world degeneracies and the right is being radical extremists for trying to stop univerversally accepted values
The fun thing is that this meme will reach the front page via the left's stupidity.
Where do you think I found it?
As a former leftie, I will tell you, no one ever is left enough for the left. It won't matter if it is Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders. This is basically why forums like KotakuInAction, TumblrInAction and such started, the left keeps going in a toxic purity sprial.