the guy posted a video on twitter saying "vote them out", and now those same politicians are using their authority in the australian government to claim it's a criminal violation of elections laws.
Victoria looks to be the California of Australia (and not in a good way). This overreach is the result of diversity hiring just look at how this letter is drafted.
The stupidity of this threat is that "authorisation" can be implied by Andrew's Twitter handle.
To clarify the exceptionally poorly-written legalese, here (I would have posted the other two pages, but image posts here don’t work like that. You’ll have to look on the Tweet link!), this letter, poorly-written though it may be, states that you are not allowed to criticize the government, or “individual politicians”, in an open forum, unless you directly label such criticism as ”electoral materials”…
Also, spot the massive syntax error, if you would, that makes it apparent some poor intern drafted this as a quickly-written threat, and probably little more… 🙄
Now, I’m no constitutional expert, but three things, here: 1) I’ve worked for Electoral Commissions, before, though not in Victoria. While they might like to think they do, especially in an election year, they absolutely do not have the power to issue this fine, and it is an “empty threat, as it were.
2) This sort of thing is absolutely not in the purview of the Electoral Commissioner. This is not something that “we”, as (former) staff there, are in the habit of doing, or writing up. So for this to have been sent, it has to have occurred at the express pressing of a politician, or their staffers. That, in itself, should contravene the “electoral act”, and is highly dubious…
And 3) Democratic “norms” expressly exist for a reason… If you ban dissent, or in any way make it illegal, as this does, then you are no longer a “democracy”, and should absolutely be called out by the international community as such.
They did it with Hungary. They did it with Poland. They did it with Rwanda. They did it with Bolivia. If this is Australia, now, and this does not get called out, then the “international community” has failed. I’m not saying I agree with three out of four of those (Rwanda, yes. Arguably Bolivia, yes.), but that isn’t the point, here. The bald-faced hypocrisy is.
Look, the last week has been completely blackpilling for the supposed “rule of law” in this country, but this should be almost as worrying as Djokovic was. I was under the impression “we” were still masquerading as a democracy. This letter clearlu calls that into question, as I just outlined…
At least for the state of Victoria. 🤦🏻♂️
Is there not some (presumably ignored) clause that limits this to actual candidates, then, or does the Australian state o Victoria simply periodically turn itself into a totalitarian hellhole, on the promise that if the population is good they'll be given their rights back?
I’ve read this, and the rest of the letter, through, and I don’t think this legal argument holds any water…
In fact, it appears quite literally self-contradictory…
But then, so did Alex Hawke’s comments last weeks, re Djokovic…
I’m clearly not… Legally trained. I’m just also not stupid, or naïve enough to believe this shit.
Anyone here who does have legal training… What do you think?
I suspect this threat would fall to pieces, in court, but then… IANAL, as I said. 🤷🏻♂️
I know it depends on the jurisdiction, of course, and exactly how broad the powers of the Electoral Act are, but… Spitballin’ here, it just reads like absolute bullshit… At least from my perspective.
Then again, this is a country that has “Using a carriage service (i.e. the internet, or a phone line) to offend, harass or humiliate” as a real law, on the books, AND gives ministers the power to deport and ban people for three years, ”because [they] do not like their views” so… I guess I shouldn’t be terribly surprised. Just disappointed. 😑
I think if he fights it he'll win, but it's not about that; it's about buying time. For what, I couldn't say.
I'd say it's about intimidation. Big name guy gets slapped with this, regardless of the results of any subsequent legal actions it makes a lot of much smaller people think "I should just keep my head down and shut up, can't be caught in the same thing"
I'm confused because the vote them out website has the "authorised by" message on it. Why is Andrew bogut getting pinged for sharing a message he didn't create? fucking vics.
What’s the election laws at play here? I know the leftists here in the US keep pushing for a “quiet period” weeks/a month before an election where no campaigning can be done but AFAIK those laws only apply to campaign advertising. (Never mind the constitutional aspect)
this is a fucking disgrace. read the full post at https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewbogut/status/1483390779095916544
the guy posted a video on twitter saying "vote them out", and now those same politicians are using their authority in the australian government to claim it's a criminal violation of elections laws.
Yeah, all true, except this is explicitly the Victorian government, so it’s state laws at play, here…
I forgot which Tweet it was that got him in trouble/triggered this (he did explain that, didn’t he?), so kudos for that, though!!
Victoria looks to be the California of Australia (and not in a good way). This overreach is the result of diversity hiring just look at how this letter is drafted.
The stupidity of this threat is that "authorisation" can be implied by Andrew's Twitter handle.
Tweet link, as I already posted elsewhere, before:
https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewbogut/status/1483390779095916544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1483390779095916544%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fkotakuinaction2.win%2Fp%2F141F1DeB9k%2Fyou-wondered-why-i-worry-what-i-%2Fc%2F
To clarify the exceptionally poorly-written legalese, here (I would have posted the other two pages, but image posts here don’t work like that. You’ll have to look on the Tweet link!), this letter, poorly-written though it may be, states that you are not allowed to criticize the government, or “individual politicians”, in an open forum, unless you directly label such criticism as ”electoral materials”…
Also, spot the massive syntax error, if you would, that makes it apparent some poor intern drafted this as a quickly-written threat, and probably little more… 🙄
Now, I’m no constitutional expert, but three things, here: 1) I’ve worked for Electoral Commissions, before, though not in Victoria. While they might like to think they do, especially in an election year, they absolutely do not have the power to issue this fine, and it is an “empty threat, as it were. 2) This sort of thing is absolutely not in the purview of the Electoral Commissioner. This is not something that “we”, as (former) staff there, are in the habit of doing, or writing up. So for this to have been sent, it has to have occurred at the express pressing of a politician, or their staffers. That, in itself, should contravene the “electoral act”, and is highly dubious… And 3) Democratic “norms” expressly exist for a reason… If you ban dissent, or in any way make it illegal, as this does, then you are no longer a “democracy”, and should absolutely be called out by the international community as such.
They did it with Hungary. They did it with Poland. They did it with Rwanda. They did it with Bolivia. If this is Australia, now, and this does not get called out, then the “international community” has failed. I’m not saying I agree with three out of four of those (Rwanda, yes. Arguably Bolivia, yes.), but that isn’t the point, here. The bald-faced hypocrisy is.
Look, the last week has been completely blackpilling for the supposed “rule of law” in this country, but this should be almost as worrying as Djokovic was. I was under the impression “we” were still masquerading as a democracy. This letter clearlu calls that into question, as I just outlined… At least for the state of Victoria. 🤦🏻♂️
Is there not some (presumably ignored) clause that limits this to actual candidates, then, or does the Australian state o Victoria simply periodically turn itself into a totalitarian hellhole, on the promise that if the population is good they'll be given their rights back?
I’ve read this, and the rest of the letter, through, and I don’t think this legal argument holds any water…
In fact, it appears quite literally self-contradictory…
But then, so did Alex Hawke’s comments last weeks, re Djokovic…
I’m clearly not… Legally trained. I’m just also not stupid, or naïve enough to believe this shit.
Anyone here who does have legal training… What do you think?
I suspect this threat would fall to pieces, in court, but then… IANAL, as I said. 🤷🏻♂️
I know it depends on the jurisdiction, of course, and exactly how broad the powers of the Electoral Act are, but… Spitballin’ here, it just reads like absolute bullshit… At least from my perspective.
Then again, this is a country that has “Using a carriage service (i.e. the internet, or a phone line) to offend, harass or humiliate” as a real law, on the books, AND gives ministers the power to deport and ban people for three years, ”because [they] do not like their views” so… I guess I shouldn’t be terribly surprised. Just disappointed. 😑
Definitely sounds like they're grasping at straws, trying to conflate a political tweet with an election ad.
I think if he fights it he'll win, but it's not about that; it's about buying time. For what, I couldn't say.
I'd say it's about intimidation. Big name guy gets slapped with this, regardless of the results of any subsequent legal actions it makes a lot of much smaller people think "I should just keep my head down and shut up, can't be caught in the same thing"
I'm confused because the vote them out website has the "authorised by" message on it. Why is Andrew bogut getting pinged for sharing a message he didn't create? fucking vics.
What’s the election laws at play here? I know the leftists here in the US keep pushing for a “quiet period” weeks/a month before an election where no campaigning can be done but AFAIK those laws only apply to campaign advertising. (Never mind the constitutional aspect)
Is that what he’s running up against here?
Fuck the Australian government.
Les magest returns.
Another bamboozler doomer thread.