Until they start burning people at the stake for Heresy against doctrine, we have a ways to go
I'm not seeing a fundamental difference. The only thing of note is different methods of punishment/execution, and that's a cultural norm that arguably derived from Christian virtues of forgiveness and mercy. (pagans burned people too)
Habits that take a long time to be learned take a long time to be unlearned.
We need to have something that regulates what can and cannot be done so that there is a functioning system, something answerable to the people as a whole and severely limited in power and scope. Crackpot theories (as promoted by both the religious arguments and this german death panel) should be grounds for immediate termination of all members of that regulatory body. We cannot simply rely upon faith and good will, people are stupid, greedy, and lazy where they can get away with it. Religion in any form, be it christianity or muh intersection at 5th and elm, is not regulatory but exculpatory. They use it sanctify their actions in a righteous cloth.
No they'll just make it so you starve to death because you can't buy food. Or imprison you after they fine you so much you can't pay the fine. Because that's "humane".
Is there anything you would blame "secularism" for, or is this all just a "no true secularism" debate where any criticism of it is actually "religion"?
Shit like communism and stripping family and parental rights. That stuff that commonly happens under secular governments pretty regularly to blame on secular governments and secularism as you say it.
Until they start burning people at the stake for Heresy against doctrine, we have a ways to go before Jeebus is preferable.
How about we reduce governments to roads and military protection again and leave health and soul matters to the individual.
I'm not seeing a fundamental difference. The only thing of note is different methods of punishment/execution, and that's a cultural norm that arguably derived from Christian virtues of forgiveness and mercy. (pagans burned people too)
Habits that take a long time to be learned take a long time to be unlearned.
Give it time.
We need to have something that regulates what can and cannot be done so that there is a functioning system, something answerable to the people as a whole and severely limited in power and scope. Crackpot theories (as promoted by both the religious arguments and this german death panel) should be grounds for immediate termination of all members of that regulatory body. We cannot simply rely upon faith and good will, people are stupid, greedy, and lazy where they can get away with it. Religion in any form, be it christianity or muh intersection at 5th and elm, is not regulatory but exculpatory. They use it sanctify their actions in a righteous cloth.
No they'll just make it so you starve to death because you can't buy food. Or imprison you after they fine you so much you can't pay the fine. Because that's "humane".
That's christianity for you too. If you're looking to justify religion over secularism, you're not going to find it.
Is there anything you would blame "secularism" for, or is this all just a "no true secularism" debate where any criticism of it is actually "religion"?
Shit like communism and stripping family and parental rights. That stuff that commonly happens under secular governments pretty regularly to blame on secular governments and secularism as you say it.