Two of them simply tried to detain a moronic burglar who’d been robbing their neighbour hood and one was simply there and recorded the moron grabbing a shotgun and getting himself shot. Now they all get to spend the rest of their life in prison. The blacks are given free reign to commit every evil there is while whites are treated like subhumans by the nation they built. This nation is doomed and seems to deserve that doom.
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As I recall, they pursued him, then the mayos got out of their truck to arrest him without probable cause. That's where the problem lies. It's felonious act to try and detain them without enough cause to do so.
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Occam's Razor says otherwise. I don't believe that they found a jogger and assumed without justification that he was a thief and completely by coincidence it was the thief known as The Jogger. Either they are psychic, or they had probable cause.
He wuz a good boy, he dindu nuffin.
Just ignore his felony history and claiming he's just jogging.
Joggers gonna jog...
Probable Cause is a very specific thing. The police need less than that to pull you over. They need that to actually cuff you and arrest you.
That's a lot. In fact, that's so much, they could have had the police get an open warrant for the guy and had him arrested on sight. But that's not what seemed to have happened.
They were trying to detain him, not arrest. But I don't see why it matters. In fact, if everyone had survived, the guys could have gone on trial for unlawful detention, maybe assaulting with a weapon. In a case like this, you get one story: the one told by the survivor. We had a video, but it was shitty (by which I mean it didn't show the only important things that you would have wanted to see). That story was that Arbery attacked first, and nothing I read showed that story even challenged. IANAL. In my mind, if you are attacked and fight back, it's self defense. The law must be different, because all that seemed to matter was whether they had a right to be chasing the guy in the first place.
I think I'd allow them both self defense actually. There were so many points that this could have been averted that it amounts to mutual combat to me. I searched today and no one in the lame news seems to have explained the finer points of the law that the jury must have considered.
Under GA law, they lump both detention and arrest together for the purposes of false imprisonment.
Because they were committing a felony themselves (the false imprisonment), they could not assert self defense unless there had bee some sort of break in the sequence of events, which never happened.
What people aren't getting is that there's basically no right to conduct a citizen's arrest in GA, with very narrow exceptions. It doesn't matter under the law that Arbery was also a burglar because the McMichaels admitted that they didn't know that at the time.
Well, kind of tangential, but what did they change, then? Stupid media says nothing useful. Wikipedia says Georgia's citizen's arrest law was "very broad in scope" which kind of contradicts what you say, but I'm not ragging on you; just saying I can't get any good information.
It went from you could conduct a citizen's arrest if you witnessed a felony or became aware of a felony by someone who immediately witnessed it to no citizen's arrest at all.
This might be pedantic, but I think detaining him would qualify as a "citizen's arrest".
That's the problem. The unlawful detention is a felony. Hence, Arbery's death is Felony Murder.
I actually agree with this. This was basically Colin Noir's position. Which could be reduced to: "If two guys in a truck drive past me, set up a road block, and jump out with guns: I'm dumping rounds on them."
From what the McMichaels were saying, it sounds like they pointed guns at Arbery, and then Arbery attacked them. That attack could absolutely be taken as self-defense... which is where my unease in the situation gets pretty bad. That's a horrifically stupid decision for Arbery that cost him his life, but the attack would have legal. If it were me, and some dude started yelling for me to stop, and pointed a shotgun at me? Then I'd pull a Colin Noir and just start blasting.
Yep I would have declared Arbery innocent if he had dumped rounds.
The citizen's arrest thing is odd. There was every evidence that it was and apparently no one challenged that except to say that the McMichaels didn't announce themselves. Yet the court apparently ruled it was not such an arrest. I've yet to see an explanation for that and I looked.
Yeah, I'm not really clear on it either. The state doesn't want people policing their own communities for the most part, so this kind of stuff gets left purposely vague.
To play devils advocate: Arbery was unarmed. So while it very much would have been legally self defense trying to do something to the McMichaels, it seems extremely reckless to throw yourself at an armed individual trying to steal their weapon in an attempt to defend yourself. Because unless you have reason to believe they are just going to kill you anyway, the better option would be to surrender and live until you see a time to escape.
That said though, I dont have particular beef with either side here. Everything I had heard at the time made it sound like a situation where no one was in the right, so I more or less declared "a pox on both your houses!" months ago, and from what I have heard of the trial that did little to clear up that issue.
Oh no, it's retarded. Especially when the other guy has a fucking shotgun.
That's one of the things that kinda convinces me that Arbery was a genuine bad guy: he had a predator drive. He could have run into the woods at any time, but instead, he decided that he was gonna take the risk to (very likely) kill both of the McMichaels. By aggressing on them, he was starting an entangled gunfight that he could only win if he killed both of them. And he made that decision while he was 30-50 feet from the truck. He saw a threat, and instead of avoiding it, he engaged it. That's not normal human behavior unless you're a cop, military, or a first responded. You have to be trained to do that. Since he wasn't any of those things, he was not a regular civilian. He was a criminal who's probably bluffed people with force before.
I was on the McMichaels' side more until I heard them talking, and it I can't help but think, "wow, you were basically asking for shit to go wrong."
Well, someone has to teach the storm fags to chill. I have to make it simple for them.
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