I posted this comment: https://files.catbox.moe/8g62zt.png (archive link).
Everything I said is historical facts which are public knowledge and widely agreed upon. I did not break any of the rules, but it got deleted anyways.
If any other country had acted in this way, it would be called colonialism and everybody would be encouraged to criticize it, but apparently the holy protected untouchable country of Israel can do whatever they want, and nobody is allowed to criticize it.
Even many Jews agree with the points in my post:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/21/u-s-jews-have-widely-differing-views-on-israel/
But because I am not one of God's Chosen People, I am not allowed to even post simple objective facts.
Does the community think that my comment was acceptable, or does the community agree with the moderator that my comment should not be allowed on this site?
DrJester is a faggot troll. Don't feed that account.
I don't agree with the removal but I can see that they don't want too much red pill discussion here and that's ok.
I think it's better to create a post on consumeproduct with all that info then link to it in a comment.
jester is a faggot nerd like everyone else here, and he's been posting since before the win exodus even started. He might have some dumb opinions, but he's not trolling, either.
and since he's been supporting gg since around the zoe post, we shouldnt call him a troll just for being a dumbass. agree that it would fit better on consume, this is mostly a gamer sub, not consoom's kind of counter culture.
Mods should be clear with their removals, and why everything was removed, we'll butt heads with the mods when we dont like a removal in here, and its mostly been better than reddit ever was.
Still, this is a gamer sub and all the heft that entails, with lots of history, and taking the consoom product message and expecting it to fit a gaming founded sub is unlikely. Especially when you consider some of consume products tenets around gaming. There is very tiny overlap.
While it fits most posts in consume, it only fits a few here. Either way, the mods should have clearly explained why OP was banned, .win shouldnt turn into reddit.
So you agree that it is okay for the moderators to shadow ban comments which do not violate the rules?
If the moderators do not want "redpill content" as you call it, then they should make that a rule, and not just arbitrarily ban whatever they want on a whim.
i didn't know simply posting facts is "edgy" .
Which is only more proof that the stormfags are a small group of feds and a larger group of whiny teenagers too stupid to realize they're being manipulated by feds.
That's a little too vague for my taste. I like the very specific rules that KiAs sidebar lays out. Identity attacks is still kinda vague but less so than "redpill overdose".
The specific rules are pointless if the moderators ignore them and ban anything on a whim. If the moderation is vague, then it doesn't matter how specific the rules are.
So either the moderation needs to become more precise, or the rules need to be made more vague (to match the moderator's behavior). Right now there is a disconnect, people post things thinking that it is within the rules, but then they get arbitrarily banned anyways. That defeats the point of having rules in the first place.
Are The Jews conspiring? Is being a Jew an identity?
When did I ever claim that Jews are conspiring? I mentioned specific Zionist Jews (whose names and actions are all public knowledge, they publicly admit what they did), and I criticized Israel, I never attacked Jews as an entire group. Unless you are claiming that criticizing some Jews is the same as attacking all Jews? Which is odd, since many Jews are against the actions of Israel.
The ironic thing is the jews you seem to like are the ones that actually do live up to the stormcuck cliches. Leftists hate Israel and hate jews. Leftist jews want desperately to be accepted by the rest of the left so they go nuts trying to prove their loyalty, part of which involves throwing all the rest of the jews under the bus.
You may as well think of them as two completely separate groups of people at this point.
do the left ever talk about the JQ? hmmm?
yes, but did you know this is a gaming sub? thats kinda like going to some lesbian sub and posting gay porn; its mostly gamer and culture shit here.
KiA2 has never been about gaming, it started with GamerGate (which was about nepotism and corruption in journalism, not gaming).
Also, 99% of the topics on the front page are political, which isn't surprising since KiA2 has always been political. There is nothing on the site that indicates that it is non-political gaming only.
Also, even if you believe that KiA2 should be about gaming only, I was merely replying to a political comment that somebody else made, so you should be directing your criticism at them, not me.
I'm so tired of the Jews stuff constantly I'd fully support a "Talk about the Jews somewhere else" rule. I don't care how true any of it is it's generally inactonable or useless Intel not worth the seconds it took away from my brain
talk about women somewhere else
talk about muslims somewhere else
talk about LGBT somewhere else
yeah guys zoe isnt related to ggers go talk about dat somewah else
So you don't support free speech? Go back to Reddit then where you can have your filtered revolt. Stop trying to control what others have to say.
Fuck off with that "go back to Reddit" canned answer bullshit. I said it, I want them to shut the fuck up about their endless cycle of Jew posts followed by bitch about the mod posts. Call me whatever the hell you want, I've got a total of zero shits to give what you think.
I don't agree with them. I guess they're trying to keep the forum from becoming radioactive levels of red pilled or something? I don't know, but not being able to discuss such things, even in a calm and logical manner, definitely sucks.
I didn't even read your comments, and some of the jew sperging around here can get pretty tiring, but the current rules are retarded and need a major revamp. Some of them are redundant (e.g. 1&2, 4&5), some are holdovers from le reddit and we really don't need to keep following their faggy rules here (7), some are so obvious they don't need to be said out loud (8, 9, 11, 10) and others are extremely open to abuse (3, 12, 15, 16) - and there's sixteen of them which is just stupid.
Do we really have THAT many rules? I havent read a sidebar in ages, lmao. I would go and look at the rules but I can only count single digits, so iz fucked.
How about we lower the rules a bit u/dom?
So what do you call it when somebody decides to steal something from somebody else simply because they wanted it? That's the dictionary definition of greedy and selfish.
I notice that you didn't include the full context of what I said. I specifically mentioned the Rothchilds (who were indeed Jewish bankers), because they were heavily involved in the Balfour Declaration. This is all public knowledge.
Except I never said that, I mentioned specific Jewish bankers, except you intentionally omitted the full sentence of what I said.
Regardless of whether that's true, it doesn't break the rules, because it wasn't against an entire group, and I did not say they were inferior or conspiring. Criticism is not against the rules. Opinions and value judgements (even negative ones) are not against the rules. The whole reason why KiA2 even exists in the first place is to point out problems and criticize them. Do you not know the history of KiA2?
Yes they did steal land from the Native Americans, that is a historical fact, not an opinion. They did it in various ways, including murdering many Native Americans, breaking agreements, colonization and immigration, etc. Similarly, Israel's stealing of Palestine is a historical fact, not an opinion.
Context matters. It was clear that I was referring to the Zionist Jews who were intentionally trying to take over Palestine. I obviously wasn't referring to the American Jews, or the Polish Jews, or the Russian Jews.
Now you're just trying to nitpick because you don't actually have a point, but you don't want to admit that I didn't break any rules.
People say much more than that when it comes to women and muslims.
Also, KIA2 does shadow banning: when I am logged in I can see my (deleted) comment, but when I am logged out I cannot. Shadow banning is incredibly evil, and should never be tolerated, especially on a free speech site.
You can prove this with screenshots and a link.
Also, learn to hide your power level a little bit instead of sperging out, or go post with the other fetishists that stole c/ ConsumeProduct.
You can post shit like that without being cringe. Learn how, and clean up your spaghetti in the mean time.
I already posted both in my original comment... the screenshot was clearly taken after the post was deleted, and I also posted a link to the original thread:
https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/13zgboK2ki/talmudic-doctrine-nonjews-are-no/c/
I'm not sure what you mean by "hide my power level", I simply answered Jester's question with historical facts. Is that not allowed on this site?
This is not a free speech site. What 'free speech' site has the rules that this community does?
This isn't a pro-Jew site either, despite some users' affiliations; we voluntarily visit for certain content like the CCP Flu news.
As for how the site behaves, that's likely a larger topic for WIN in general. I highly doubt it's KIA2 specific.
only reddit admins can shadowban. You aren't shadowbanned, everything is completely visible to everyone. The post just got deleted.
Contrailiy... shadowbanning does exist on win. its happened on certain comments, i believe the pwin mods can do so.
afaik thats what happens on reddit too. when your comment is deleted its still on your profile and you can link to it.... but idr if its the same for shadowbinned comments.
Why? Please tell me this is hyperbole. Also if he said "comment removed" and you can make this post it's not shadow banning.
The purpose of shadow banning is to make people think that they are not banned, even though they are banned. By its nature it is deceptive.
This leads to a situation where everybody is censored, but nobody realizes that they are being censored. Because people do not realize they are being censored, they do not fight back against the censorship.
And nobody even knows exactly what is being censored, it is up to the whim of the admins. It concentrates all of the power into the admins, now a single admin can control what millions of people see (and don't see), without anybody even realizing it's happening. It is extremely insidious.
Transparency and honesty are incredibly important, you cannot have a society without those two principles. People need to understand what is happening, and why it is happening. Shadow banning is the complete opposite of that.
I noticed it because I went back to the post and refreshed it, it's also how I noticed the shadow banning on YouTube (where comments are silently removed without anybody noticing).
I agree that this is a mild form of shadow banning (compared to other much worse sites), but it is still shadow banning.
This isn't what a shadowban is. You got a notification when your comment was removed, so there's no shadow, and we can see all your other posts, so there's no ban.
Shadowbanning is when you flag an account so that any posts or comments made from it only shows up for that same account and nobody else, the comments aren't even replaced with a [removed], they're just invisible to everyone else. It's useful against spammers, but like every other useful thing ever it's widely abused.
I agree that users being able to see their own removed posts like they were still there is kinda stupid - it's useful if you wrote a long post and got it removed due to a single word based on some dumb rule, so then you can copypaste it, change the offending part, and repost it. But it should be clearly indicated that the post is removed. Our janny works around it by replying with a mod comment, though, and it's something .win devs need to fix, jannies can't do much about it.
fyi, shadowing comments DOES exist on win, but i dont know if the full account is in effect.
That's fair, I agree it is something that needs to be fixed in
.win, since it doesn't seem to be specific to KiA2.Because it was made to be used only on spammers, and they increased the mission creep til it was used on 'bad people' and now its used on people who arent subscribed to the sub, its malevolent and undermines speech in an insidious way.
comments can get shadowbanned on win.
Another day, another "Why can't I target the jews?!" post...
Ill go through the rest later, but where did you read that the jews killed millions of palestinians? that seems worthy of a genocidal title.
The conflict between Palestinians and Jews is well documented:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violence
There have been ~100,000 Palestinians murdered directly in war:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-casualties-arab-israeli-conflict
But many others murdered in other ways:
https://prepareforchange.net/2019/06/20/palestinian-genocide-5100000-palestinians-have-been-killed-since-1948/
And even ignoring the direct murders, it is a fact that Israel used to be 90% Arab, but is now only 20% Arab, and the few remaining Arabs are second-class citizens who are not allowed to vote.
No matter how you look at it, Jews invaded and stole Palestine away from the native Palestinians, Israel is one of the greatest human rights tragedies in modern times.
Comment Reported for: Rule 16 - Identity Attacks
Not in how this is being phrased.
I think he went a little over the line with this one but I see his reasoning and moderation is always going to be somewhat subjective. I agree with their decisions most of the time.
only faggots publicly whine about moderation
if you have a problem take it up with the mods in DMs
Are you forgetting why KIA 2 exists in the first place, you absolute clown?
Ah, yes, of course, we should let the moderators decide whether their own actions are justified or not. That definitely will not lead to moderator abuse, I'm sure of it!
there's that fag talk again
I whine about modding all the time, that's the only way it will lead us to change.
I hate when socialists infest a place. You socialists are all the same.
Socialist? But Karl Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, and most of the Soviet leadership were Jews. And communist kibbutz are extremely common in Israel. Do you think I am a Jew?
Do you think that everybody who criticizes Israel is a socialist? Do you think that everybody who cares about the human rights of Palestinians is a socialist?
So you are not a national SOCIALIST?
https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
That you do not PARROT Karl Marx https://archive.vn/6GwUg
http://hiaw.org/defcon6/works/1862/letters/62_07_30a.html
That Nazi Germany was not using Karl MArx?
Source: The Vampire Economy: Doing Business Under Fascism, 2014, p. 6 (letter from a German businessman)
Fake news. Like always, you filthy retarded socialists are all the fucking same.
https://www.europenowjournal.org/2020/01/15/a-specter-haunting-europe-the-myth-of-judeo-bolshevism-by-paul-hanebrink/
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/hanebrink-judeo-bolshevism
https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Communism.html
You don't care about them. Because you are using the scottish, syrians, egyptians, english, saudi arabians, jordanians and others as pawns on your retarded socialist hate against Jews
Of course I'm not a socialist, only a complete moron would think that socialism is a good idea.
So in addition to falsely accusing me of being a socialist, you're now claiming that I'm a Nazi too? You claim that you love individualism, but you sure do love rushing to defend your fellow Jews whenever they are rightfully criticized.
Why are you trying so hard to defend Israeli colonialism and human rights abuses? Why are you trying so hard to deny the millions of innocent people who were murdered and driven out of their home? Why do you think that their ethnicity matters? All non-Jews were abused in Israel, regardless of their ethnicity, it wasn't only Arabs who were abused.
Am I not allowed to point out injustices which happen in the world? Or am I only allowed to point out non-Jewish injustices, and as soon as a Jew does an injustice I'm not allowed to point it out? That doesn't sound very individualistic.
If you are so concerned about socialism, shouldn't you be criticizing the Jews in academia who are promoting socialism? Shouldn't you be criticizing the kibbutz in Israel?
And if you are so concerned about individualism, shouldn't you be criticizing the Jews who believe in Jewish supremacy? Shouldn't you be criticizing the extremely strong Jewish communal group identity? Shouldn't you be criticizing the Zionist Jews?
So you get butthurt that you are being called a socialist, despite peddling the same nonsense they do., Then you get extra butthurt that I call you out on your monolithism idea?
Aw, just go kindly shove your retarded identity politics up your ass. Nobody likes identity politics.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA Imagine unironically believing in this bullshit!
Read the links I gave.