Well there is undeniably different kinds of slavery. An alternate type is to castrate the slaves and prevent them from having children, or just working them to death. You can have your own judgement which type of slavery is worse.
They went even further than Ireland and made it all the way to Iceland
"Pirate raids for the acquisition of slaves occurred in towns and villages on the African Atlantic seaboard, as well as in Europe. Reports of Barbary raids and kidnappings of those in Italy, Spain, France, Portugal, England, Netherlands, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and as far north as Iceland exist from between the 16th to the 19th centuries. It is estimated that between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by pirates and sold as slaves in Tunis, Algiers and Tripoli during this time period. The slave trade in Europeans in other parts of the Mediterranean is not included in this estimation.[21]"
Slaves in the Caribbean and South America were literally worked to death but we never hear anyone bitching about them. Our problem in US was we treated them like people. We should never have done that.
The ongoing obsession with American slavery, to the exclusion of all other slavery throughout human history, is a perfect example of the age-old legal adage "it doesn't matter who you can blame, it only matters who can pay".
If you point out that Muslims took way more slaves, for a much longer period of time, Muslims do not fall to their knees and beg forgiveness. If you point out that south and Central America took twenty times as many slaves as America, no one descries all of these nations and their peoples as irredeemable monsters.
The only people who respond to discussions of historical slavery with modern guilt are whites. No one else is throwing trillions of dollars at the "legacy of slavery". No one else is whipping themselves for things their ancestors did hundreds of years ago. There's no reason to press the issue with anyone except white people because only white people will give you a bunch of shit to alleviate their "guilt".
It's the exact same situation with "racism". Every race is racist, but only white people care enough to give you all their shit as penance.
"it doesn't matter who you can blame, it only matters who can pay"
damn - that's a beautiful quote.
That perfectly explains why feminists complain about 'white men spreading their legs on the train' - but completely ignore 'iranian women getting stoned to death for allegations of infidelity'
I learned more from that video than I did the entirety of my time in school growing up, which only taught a very myopic view of it that made sure to attempt to inculcate guilt into us for what happened.
Turns out, the entire narrative being promulgated in schools isn't even a reflection of actual reality. There's a shit ton more than this as well. Needless to say, the reality of the slave trade completely obliterates the preferred victim narrative.
Thanks. I’ll check this out. I remember being surprised as a young teen when I learned that Africans sold their slaves/conquered to the Europeans and then reading Thomas Sowell gave me a broader view of worldwide slavery.
Also these ppl that constantly talk about slavery that ended years ago don’t bother to help actual slaves today.
Not true. Slave based economies are generally stifled economies. In which you have a wealthy elite that live in luxury but are usually cash poor because it is expensive to maintain slaves. A large section of free but poor who have few job prospects because the upper class don't want to pay wages. And then the slave class which don't actually benefit the economy.
The rise of the middle class, professionalism and the need for skilled labor is what leads to the decline of slavery.
I think it also had to do with the rise of a cash economy. Slavery would hinder that, but it does make sense under a mostly-barter economy. A slave might not "get paid" in money, but his owner is responsible for feeding, clothing, and housing him in lieu of that. The owner might not have "money" and barters for everything himself! Money existed but only served to determine how much things were worth against itself, and mostly only the merchant class used it regularly. Until they started actually printing cash (and even in the USA, there were little regional banks and even businesses printed their own money until a central bank system was made. Then and only then did money become a regular thing for everyone.)
I don't think cash was quite so common as it became to be in the 1800s, and wasn't the real measure of one's wealth. Land was.
And I bet the original biggest opposition to slavery was from people who were forced to actually look for work to make that new cash. "Fuck those scabs, if I can't have job security, why should those niggers have any."
Then might moving into a cashless economy signal a return to slavery? We do happen to be witnessing oligarchs and other 'elites' buying up immense amounts of land right now.
Oh, yeah, for sure. Notice how they want to make everything a service, and nickel and dime us out. They're basically on their way to making society into one big Skinner Box. Push the right pedals, get your rewards.
I actually think that would make an interesting miniseries. About black slave owners or the wealthiest one. You’d never see it but it would be interesting
Read the books. Good stuff if you find them from someplace that doesn't benefit Bezos. I grabbed them about 6-7 years back before all this shit started.
Well there is undeniably different kinds of slavery. An alternate type is to castrate the slaves and prevent them from having children, or just working them to death. You can have your own judgement which type of slavery is worse.
They went even further than Ireland and made it all the way to Iceland
"Pirate raids for the acquisition of slaves occurred in towns and villages on the African Atlantic seaboard, as well as in Europe. Reports of Barbary raids and kidnappings of those in Italy, Spain, France, Portugal, England, Netherlands, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and as far north as Iceland exist from between the 16th to the 19th centuries. It is estimated that between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by pirates and sold as slaves in Tunis, Algiers and Tripoli during this time period. The slave trade in Europeans in other parts of the Mediterranean is not included in this estimation.[21]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade
Slaves in the Caribbean and South America were literally worked to death but we never hear anyone bitching about them. Our problem in US was we treated them like people. We should never have done that.
Arguably if this type was practiced in the US, it would have solved the fallout that succeeding generations have had to endlessly deal with.
The sensible solution that avoids having a large population of outdated farm implements destroying your nation 150 years in the future.
I don’t understand why the Arab slave trade isn’t very well known. Castration seems very cruel.
Because that's Islamophobic
True. But I think we have rehashed slavery in the west more than enough. How about examining slavery from other parts of the world.
But then they'd have to abandon the point that the US and UK are uniquely bad and deserve to be extinguished.
Which is what needs to happen but we know that it never will
if it was well known, can you blame it on white americans, if answer is no, there is your answer
Because there are no descendants of the Arab slave trade.
there don't need to be. they never stopped doing it.
libs like trannies
The ongoing obsession with American slavery, to the exclusion of all other slavery throughout human history, is a perfect example of the age-old legal adage "it doesn't matter who you can blame, it only matters who can pay".
If you point out that Muslims took way more slaves, for a much longer period of time, Muslims do not fall to their knees and beg forgiveness. If you point out that south and Central America took twenty times as many slaves as America, no one descries all of these nations and their peoples as irredeemable monsters.
The only people who respond to discussions of historical slavery with modern guilt are whites. No one else is throwing trillions of dollars at the "legacy of slavery". No one else is whipping themselves for things their ancestors did hundreds of years ago. There's no reason to press the issue with anyone except white people because only white people will give you a bunch of shit to alleviate their "guilt".
It's the exact same situation with "racism". Every race is racist, but only white people care enough to give you all their shit as penance.
damn - that's a beautiful quote.
That perfectly explains why feminists complain about 'white men spreading their legs on the train' - but completely ignore 'iranian women getting stoned to death for allegations of infidelity'
It isn't even their ancestors, no one of any prominence seems to be descended from slave owners with the exception of Kamala Harris.
This is the video that started my journey into learning the real history of slavery that I never took the time to really delve into before:
https://streamable.com/t4ikj4
I learned more from that video than I did the entirety of my time in school growing up, which only taught a very myopic view of it that made sure to attempt to inculcate guilt into us for what happened.
Turns out, the entire narrative being promulgated in schools isn't even a reflection of actual reality. There's a shit ton more than this as well. Needless to say, the reality of the slave trade completely obliterates the preferred victim narrative.
Thanks. I’ll check this out. I remember being surprised as a young teen when I learned that Africans sold their slaves/conquered to the Europeans and then reading Thomas Sowell gave me a broader view of worldwide slavery.
Also these ppl that constantly talk about slavery that ended years ago don’t bother to help actual slaves today.
The west was able to do away with slavery because we invented labor saving machines that negated the need for large amounts of unpaid labor.
Not true. Slave based economies are generally stifled economies. In which you have a wealthy elite that live in luxury but are usually cash poor because it is expensive to maintain slaves. A large section of free but poor who have few job prospects because the upper class don't want to pay wages. And then the slave class which don't actually benefit the economy.
The rise of the middle class, professionalism and the need for skilled labor is what leads to the decline of slavery.
I think we are both right, it is one of those multifaceted Issues.
Christianity definitely influenced it. Slaves just weren't as cost effective too, forget about machines, Blacks just aren't great workers.
I think it also had to do with the rise of a cash economy. Slavery would hinder that, but it does make sense under a mostly-barter economy. A slave might not "get paid" in money, but his owner is responsible for feeding, clothing, and housing him in lieu of that. The owner might not have "money" and barters for everything himself! Money existed but only served to determine how much things were worth against itself, and mostly only the merchant class used it regularly. Until they started actually printing cash (and even in the USA, there were little regional banks and even businesses printed their own money until a central bank system was made. Then and only then did money become a regular thing for everyone.)
I don't think cash was quite so common as it became to be in the 1800s, and wasn't the real measure of one's wealth. Land was.
And I bet the original biggest opposition to slavery was from people who were forced to actually look for work to make that new cash. "Fuck those scabs, if I can't have job security, why should those niggers have any."
Then might moving into a cashless economy signal a return to slavery? We do happen to be witnessing oligarchs and other 'elites' buying up immense amounts of land right now.
Oh, yeah, for sure. Notice how they want to make everything a service, and nickel and dime us out. They're basically on their way to making society into one big Skinner Box. Push the right pedals, get your rewards.
Look up "black slave owners" (there are at least two books on that subject on Jeff Bezos' site) and a process called "manumission".
Yep. Totally racist 👍
I actually think that would make an interesting miniseries. About black slave owners or the wealthiest one. You’d never see it but it would be interesting
Read the books. Good stuff if you find them from someplace that doesn't benefit Bezos. I grabbed them about 6-7 years back before all this shit started.
Does it talk about who owned 78% of the boats?
Don't care. Still proud of my ancestors.
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