Well it seems like it’s inevitable now, I will be fired from my job and excluded from society in the very short term. With this revelation I figured I should start making plans for the next stage of my life.
I have a family with young children (all under 10) and am the breadwinner of the household so being fired will have a very negative effect on our financial security. My career and experience is fairly specific to one industry so my hopes of replacing my income with something similar is very very slim.
As a Canadian there isn’t anywhere to move to that would be any less insane, so would it be worth it to liquidate everything, buy an RV or Truck & trailer and hit the vagabond lifestyle, homeschooling the children and living off my accumulated retirement funds and cash from the liquidation?
The ideal plan would be to cross the border and head south for 6 months, then return and stay at various family’s for the other 6. I would pick up random jobs when back in Canada to try and find the 6 months down south.
I’m really not wanting this to be our life as things are really comfortable, but it’s the only thing I can think of where we can live without accepting the “vaccine” into our lives. I do not consent and I will not compromise because if I do this, they have me forever. I want to be a strong influence on my children and show them that you always have a choice, and sometimes the right choice is the hardest but we are in control of what goes into our bodies not the government.
Let me know what you guys think, am I insane and taking this way to far or is this feasible?
I think this is the best advice. Just as an FYI on where to go in Mexico check out this resource: https://saidit.net/s/ConservativeExodus/
Thank you so much for linking this! I didn't know that community existed!
Thank you, but from what I see KIA2 and the other .win community’s are way better for responses. You guys rule!
This is great advice, thanks!
What do you predict happening in the next few years?
Thanks for the info!
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This. Mothers especially, will will give up all of their rights now and forever to get a lukewarm cup of soup for their child if it came to that. Not to mention sell you out of it meant the soup came with some stale bread.
Is this really a fault? The life of one weighs less than 4...
This one right here, yes officer he’s the next incel they’ll lambast in the news.
I suddenly don't feel sorry for you.
Enjoy the she-covery, which is why this shit is happening in the first place.
I love that paragraph. Orwell was 100% right about women.
Yeah, he'll be sold out faster than the next shipment of the Xbox Series X.
I think you can still trust women in your family, but that's probably just because I owe a lot to my mother, who fought the schools to keep me off meds.
I'm not that blackpilled yet. My mother stood with me against matriarchal plans more times than I could count. I can't agree with you just based on that, without her I'd be a doped up retard in the United Femdom voting Labour. I owe her a lot.
Hell, she's with me on not getting vaxxed. How many people here are arguing with their own families about that? My uncle is a vaccine true believer, so are most of his family.
Maybe my family is just my weak spot. I've fully condemned the rest of them.
An analysis of this response provides a a lot of insight into how we ended up in this mess in the first place. Instead of disagreeing with the previous commentator with a rational response, there is an appeal to emotion and use of shame to denigrate the person being disagreed with. Further, the use of shame is based on the target's value to women. No wonder Western societies are so fucked up when everything is based on flimsy emotional appeals, which have no concrete underpinning, and men's value is not based on what the insight they can provide, their skills or abilities, what they have achieved, or even their value to other men, but purely on whether or not they are attractive to women. This is almost exhibit 1 in the series "Feminisation of society".
Just to let everyone know. Across Canada entire industries are being forced by unelected officials (chief medical officers aren't elected yet decide health policy) to mandate vaccinations. Many have decided that you can't even work from home unvaccinated. So it's no jab no pay Canadian edition.
I predict our Healthcare systems are going collapse from this because they were already poor paying and mandatory discrimination doesn't help at all. Not to mention lying again about how the vaccine was voluntary then pulling this stunt. Best option is to get a medical exemption on any grounds you can. Many doctors are surprisingly aware of how stupid the situation is. Either that or hold out for novavax and pray they don't Bork that too.
I have a “based” dr already but I fear my work will mandate I get a refer all from their dr.
I feel I’m surrounded with likeminded makes with families in the same situation. Maybe I’ll just fucking liquidate and buy enough land and start a ducking commune. You in bro?
No, but you sound like you are. Want to be my chief administrator? I’ll provide the land and you find the individuals.
Okay, you’re fired.
The issue you're going to have with doing the RV thing is that it's going to be very difficult to be self-sufficient when you're intending to be able to pick up and leave at a moment's notice. So you will still be dependent on Society for things like fuel and food. Maybe even more so because it's going to be much more difficult to have a large supply of food on-hand living in an RV. And that's beside the simple fact that RVs aren't really designed to be lived in long-term, both in terms of comfort and construction quality.
If you were planning on picking some secluded spot and growing crops during the summer months it's not clear to me that an RV would be an advantage beyond building a primitive cabin (or even a single-wide trailer) as a semi-permanent place to live. The shipping container thing is a bit overdone in my opinion, but if you did something where you furnished the inside of one and plopped it in a field somewhere, and when it was all closed up it didn't look like anything but a regular shipping container, I doubt it would attract much attention. Certainly much less attention than a little cabin.
A lot of this makes sense. I would like to see some discussions on the nomad lifestyle though, since I think it could work for some people.
I feel there are literally unlimited resources available online to teach children the necessary educational skills required. Add in a nomadic variety and strong leadership and troubleshooting skills and you have something public education could never Jefferson because they are crying about who’s dick is a pussy and vice versa ad nauseam
Nomad as in rootless, right?
I strongly considered a form of it in the past. I forget the exact job title, but it was being one of the guys that helps open new restaurants for a corporate chain. Big overtime hours because you're training retards that can't work, while at the same time managers suck your dick because they're told you're the best no matter how bad you fuck up. Seemed like the expected travel rate was to only stay in a city for 2-6 weeks at a time. I'm sure there's other jobs like it. Major downside being that you don't really get to choose where you're sent to next.
The more comfortable type of this is probably working some non-job like a highly paid consultant that preys upon the weakness and ignorance of ceos.
If we had a high-trust society, you could just wander around and work odd jobs anywhere you pleased.
Those are some interesting suggestions.
One of my flights of fancy imagines highly-mobile nomads delivering goods between and providing services to isolated homesteading communities.
I'd go for that, I advocate for a reduction of societal scale (I view cities as abominations). In my vision of a perfect world, there'd be lots of homesteading. Seeing a return of travelling merchants would be neat, though it comes with snake oil salesmen. Travelling services like doctors would be pretty interesting, though I imagine the highest-skilled service nomads would desire a stable home - unless they're just really into the nomad lifestyle.
Being a homesteader means being skilled enough to make everything work, but that generally means you won't master any particular skill. So one might need outside aide to do a complex upgrade of some kind.
Also, there's the obvious solution of working online. But I find it hard to suggest that seriously, for some reason.
Discussing this over a longer term would be cool. I wish communities.win had PMs or a chat function.
No chat function, but there is a direct messaging one. You go to a user's profile page and click 'send message'.
I don't think I have any special insight into the topic, but you can message me if you want. I also don't believe the thread gets bumped when new comments are added (I've conversed at length in thread comments here before).
What I'd really like is some kind of way to make personal notes about users I interact with, so I can remember things easier.
My personal perspective on this.
I feel the RV life will offer enough variety when necessary and change of scenery when necessary.
I was challenged when I was a very new parent as to why I couldn’t take my family across the world and teach them whatever educational requirements were, but in addition to that the lessons you learn from a balanced lifestyle of various culture. This has never left me and I’m starting to feel this might be a solution, for now.
That's all fine: this is all personal decision stuff. There are no "right" and "wrong" answers, only trade-offs.
The trade-off to the decision you're talking about is that you are not going to be any more independent from the society you will shortly be "excluded" from than you currently are. So if for example Canada mandates vaccine passports for all grocery stores, and you are still dependent on grocery stores for food; you don't get to eat as long as you're in Canada. So if this is something you are worried about (and it seems like you are otherwise you wouldn't have made this post) then it would seem like a good idea to know how you are going to solve that problem within the constraints of your RV lifestyle.
First and foremost I appreciate this discussion.
Secondly my plan is not a fully long term plan, more of a get the means of mobility into place before shit really hits the fan. That way we are not tied into any one situation regardless of political situation.
My thought behind this is if we are mobile we could start in our current community (one of the freest in the country), and when restrictions become too overwhelming migrate south.
From what I’ve been hearing and researching there are “pockets of resistance” in the USA that I’d rather investigate, coupled with Mexico.
If we liquidate I have no issues living on just that for the next couple of decades, and if I make not a dollar more well that’s on me because I’ve provided for my children until adulthood and at that point my wife and I can figure it out in our own.
Any chance of a health exemption or religious exemption?
Based on what, my YouTube history of Jordan Peterson biblical series?
I mean heck, that's better than some people I've seen who try for religious exemptions. Just a thought my friend.
Well I’ll be pulling all the stops. My contract currently has no mandatory vaccine clause and I’m not signing a new if they don’t want me they will pay me to go away.
That's the way to do it.
What’s the situation where you’ve seen people try to pull religious exemption with less?
Just look around on c/NoNewNormal or https://reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal
You don't have to be some devout orthodox true believer to submit this. Many just say they have an opposition to abortion that's rooted in religion (all the vaccines are made with derivatives of aborted cell lines), or simply say they believe their body is a temple that doesn't need unnatural remedies.
Here's a ton of links you might consider. Note that most of these are geared for US residents though.
A medical exemption may be more rock-solid for you if you can get it, especially in Canada.
https://reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/p1ypae/im_a_university_student_who_experienced_a_legal/
https:/reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/pbrsb8/so_youre_not_going_to_comply_with_your_employers/
https://reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/pbs5xm/religious_exemption_just_submitted/
https://reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/p1q5nm/religious_exemption_update/
https://reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/pbegx2/the_best_religious_exemption_letter/
https://reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/p40sbj/if_anyone_needs_religious_exemption_documents_for/
https://reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/pbwzrg/to_college_students_thinking_of_dropping_out_or/
https://reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/pbr4h8/any_religious_exemption_experiences/
https://news.gab.com/2021/07/29/important-download-covid-vaccine-religious-exemption-documents-here/
https://religiousexemption.us/
https://novaxmandate.org/letter
https://vivabarneslaw.locals.com/post/987884/employer-letter-example-vaccine-mandate-objection
https://meganredshaw.substack.com/p/how-to-covid-religious-exemption
https://www.sirillp.com/vaccine-exemptions/
https://lc.org/exempt
https://lcaction.org/vaccine
If your totally anti, offer the dude 100 bucks to squirt it on the ground. If not just get the non dna flu shot type JJ.
Unfortunately even the J&J and Astrazeneca shots are causing the exact same problems as the mRNA shots: https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/2021/04/14/6076f76eca474131438b4582.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56733715
And much like the mRNA counterparts, we have no idea what the actual death rates are, but when even the propagandist journalists who got the shots are suffering clots and dropping dead, I imagine the rate can't be good.
And of course it’s the problem Of the hesitant antivaxxers!!!
I’m anti this vaxx. This will serve as a last resort, after informing my employer I do not consent and getting a full medical beforehand to ensure any changes in my health are their responsibility and will compensate duly.
I understand and respect the idea behind total, principled non-compliance, but if you want a no-bullshit, real vaccine, take the one China gives to its CCP members - I kinda doubt I have to explain why, seems obvious. Plus it's a deactivated virus type vaccine. We had that one for my grandmother, but we aren't getting any until they're fully cleared as safe (so it's unlikely that we'll get them).
China vaccine for the China virus, it’s the only logical solution! I wonder how many boosters per year they need?
None, there's no mention of it here at least. And Serbia is handling this garbage way better, so I have some level of trust in the system.
A religious exemption doesn't work?
Being catholic, I refuse the vaccine as it contains aborted fetal tissue.
I’m not baptized Catholic but I’m talking to a priest about one of my children and might ask if I could get baptized myself. I’m a “Jordan Peterson” style religious person, so really I feel that qualifies me as I love my life according to the teachings in the bible, but I’ve never read it and despise church.
Who said anything about having to be baptized? Or even practicing?
Well really I feel at this point In My life I’m living a religious life, non zealous. I can’t say with 100% there is no God, but there’s something beyond the landscape of humanity and God is my go to mf’r
Really, I just meant ... claim the exemption, regardless of your religiosity. Unless it doesn't fly and then, by all means, have Hans get the RV.
Vaccine passport and the hyper political manner in which we are diving into.
Have you talked to anyone in Canada in the last 18 months? I’m literally surrounded by authoritarian individuals that just need a reason to exert their “power”. Now I don’t need to explain how I can argue my way out of personal conflict, but when it comes to my career, Provincial & federal government exiling me I stand no chance. At that point I see no alternative but starting new elsewhere and finding communities that value Liberty above all else.
No.
For all we rag on ICE, the US is actually pretty good at detecting illegal workers outside of a few very specific and crummy work sectors (basically agriculture and construction day laborers).
I’m Canadian bruh. 6 months in USA no questions asked
Don't do anything stupid, especially when you don't yet know for sure that all your dire predicitons will pan out.
Please don't listen to Antonio. Like Kaarous mentioned, he's been giving bad advice for months, including encouraging "old" people to get the vaccine because he says it's safe.
I've checked him on this multiple times showing him data that proves otherwise, but he just ignores it and goes right back to shilling the vax, even as more and more people (of all ages) drop dead from these things with zero long-term benefits against COVID.
YOU know your situation so much better than someone like Antonio. And your plan is sound, especially if push comes to shove and you need to buy an RV and stay in another country for a few months.
In fact, I think maybe you should go ahead and get the RV now just in case, because the last thing you want to do is wait too long and then they start mandating dealerships to require shoppers show vax passports in order to buy a vehicle. It sounds insane, but then look at what's happening in Australia.
And as others pointed out, DON'T wait too long to start enacting on your contingency plans because you don't want to end up in a situation where you're locked into the country or all your basic survival needs are restricted from you until you get the vax, which is what's happening in Australia right now.
Unlike Antonio, it's better to plan ahead (like what you're doing) and play it safe (because you have a family) then to wait, only for things to get worse and then you're unable to make any moves or properly protect your family because the State has locked everything down or are preventing residents from leaving the country.
Ah, that very reliable guy who defends Hitler.
Then quote me on using the word "safe". You can't, because you're a pathological liar and a delusional freakshow.
Of course old people should get the vaccine, and you're an absolute moron for saying otherwise. You're blinded by your ideology.
Sorry, you're a delusional whackjob.
Your advice here is as moronic as your advice on the vaccine. If it's that important, then you get a friend to do it for you.
It would be fun to see stupid people destroy themselves, and anyone taking the advice of someone like you is stupid beyond belief, but this guy has a family. I'd rather not have the family be destroyed even if the father is stupid enough to believe the likes of you and your Nazi friend.
How does that make sense in your demented mind?
A NPC?
Yes, everyone's going to die, genius.
Let me guess, they will be dropping any minute now?
Your IQ must be below 60 or something. You... you do realize that it's possible to kill millions of people, and yet leaving millions? Stalin 'dealt' with the Ukrainians, killing 4-10 million, so I assume there are no more Ukrainians around now.
And did you think Hitler magically killed all the Jews in America as well?
...no. They have an in-group preference: other commies. Dummy.
By August 29, 2022, they will all be dead, right?
OP, this person is a leftist shill who gives deliberately bad advice.
Failing to plan, is planning to fail. Being prepared is the best thing you can do as a man, a father, and a husband, to take care of your family. It's better to have a plan and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
My ethical dilemma is I pull the trigger for nothing, and everything goes back to normal. I hate that my family can’t live a normal life because I “think” something awful is about to happen. I’ve been to Eastern Europe and spend time in museums and talked to people who lived through communism and I’m fully convinced it’s a new form coming here. I’ve talked to people who left communist countries to try and gauge what they saw that made them leave. Fuck. This is literally an exsisential
I would argue that the mere fact that you have to have this discussion, is proof that Canada is not "normal", and never was. Your fellow citizens are fully prepared to sell you up the river because of a cough. The truth is that your society was not "normal" in the first place, you just hadn't noticed it yet.
So like I said, plan. Get passports. Research routes and travel options. Fix up the car. Buy some MREs. Pack go bags.
Yeah, I hate that so much. Why did I take the red pill and not the blue pill?
It's only too late if you're dead.
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To a guy who defends the Nazi extermination camps, anyone is a 'leftist shill'.
As usual, you are a liar.
Such a shame that these 'lies' can actually be backed up by your own words. Hell, the whole reason you started replying to me in every thread is because I called out your Nazi apologetics.
You made that up, you dickless socialist subhuman.
The truth is that your lying apologetics for leftism, constantly crying about anyone right of center being a "stormfag" or "klansman", and worse still for pushing the poison "vaccine", showed exactly what you are to the rest of us.
You are unworthy of life.
Calling people subhuman is definitely the way to show that you are not a Nazi.
Anyone right of center? You mean you and your fellow Joooo-bashing kooks here.
I hope you're right, because then the entire ruling class will drop dead... any moment now. Unfortunately, you are never right.
I haven't called one single "people" subhuman. By definition, subhumans aren't people.
If you think they actually took it, you're stupid. Actually, you're stupid regardless, but doubly so if you think that.
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Sorry, I missed that.
Thanks
Wow, you're nuts. Back to Stormfront, moron.
Who knew u/TheImpossible1 had a secret child with a Stormfag woman?
Well, there was that one night in Berlin. Her name was Eva or something.
Can you explain your convictions to resist my statement?
How was that movie, btw? I was considering watching it but didn't want to see it if it had a bunch of propaganda in it.
At this point if you are still viewing movies for anything of value, there are no words.