People in my current state are in a complete hysteria over COVID-19 and with how much the powers that be are demonizing those that don't take their experimental jab, I rather not be stuck surrounded by their COVID cult when shit inevitably hits the fan soon.
I have decided to move to Texas since it is a lower cost of living red state where hopefully there will be atleast some decent employers who won't mandate the jab and where hopefully most people are still relatively sane.
I am looking at suburban areas near Dallas/Fort Worth.
I am currently looking at suburbs in places like:
Keller
Azle
Watauga
Northlake
Denton
Anyone have any info about any of these areas and if they are safe and if they have sane right-leaning people?
I really don't want to be surrounded by Branch-Covidian leftists. I already know to stay clear of Austin.
I am also kinda concerned about frequency of tornadoes in these areas since based on what I researched, northern Texas seems to have a lot of tornadoes.
Any thoughts anyone can offer would be appreciated greatly.
Thanks in advance!
Everything has tripled in price over the last five years, including real estate. Fuck you Californians.
You can say that about everywhere that was nice to live five yearsago. Add in New Yorkers too.
Aren't New Yorkers all flooding Florida these days?
It sucks that all red states are being invaded by lefties who continue to vote left after leftist policies have destroyed their original home.
It’s anywhere that is warmer and lower taxes on the east coast
If you want to be safe from Civil War 2, don't live in America.
If you want to be free from leftists, I'm sad to say, every American state is turning blue.
Joel Skousen's Strategic Relocation book, ranks stuff mostly right, some wrong.
Texas is kinda shit and turning blue, just like Nevada, Arizona, Idaho, Montana and Tennessee with all the California and New York refugees crowding the cities.
For politics, you should consult the 2020 election map for political distribution. Every high population city in America are basically bright blue. This is a warning sign.
If you recall, leftists packing the cities was what turned California, Oregon and Washington, from red rural farming states into libtard hell.
At this moment, Ancapistan Mexico, even with it's skin-flaying cartels, looks better every day.
That book is great, and I highly recommend it; but its true value is in changing the way you think about where you live. I put less stock in the rankings themselves and more into how he came up with them.
Alaska is probably the only place in America where you can avoid people entering the state en masse, in that your options for entry are by boat, plane, or by crossing through an international border.
Of course that benefit is also a downside for the same reason: the supply lines are also maintained those three ways. Probably a good place to go if you want to settle some land with 200 of your best friends; not sure if it's a good place otherwise.
Can't really grow anything in Alaska, plus shits expensive because they have to import everything.
You're gonna be eating lots of salmon there.
Yeah medium/large cities anywhere in the U.S. are not looking good.
Hopefully as many red states as possible will manage to survive the onslaught of incoming leftists and manage to stay red.
Are you serious about Mexico?
Things are bad in the U.S. for sure but Mexico just seems downright dangerous.
I'm joking.
...Partially.
Globohomo megacorps are going to be the same regardless of where their headquarters are.
Yeah I know to avoid globohomo megacorps.
There's something I never understood about people who live in Tornado zones.
Why isn't the state just drops the facade and straight up subsidize bunker building as an alternative for houses.
Sure, living in a bunker might be depressing, but I'll take that over losing everything and being forced to start over except you're weaker and more sickly because of aging.
It's a reverse lottery. The odds are that most houses will never get hit by a tornado.
Hail storms are another matter.
Hold the fuck up, I thought this was a federal thing. There are states with no income tax?
Ah, thanks. I was getting really excited for a minute, thinking I could opt out of income tax. But this is still noteworthy - I'll have to remember to check this amongst other things when I start looking into a new place to live.
Yes and some states don't have sales tax. The Oregon/Washington border is a rather popular place to live because Washington has sales tax but no income tax, and Oregon has income tax but no sales tax. So you can live/work in Washington and pay very low overall taxes.
Thanks for all this information!
I plan on going there ASAP to check it out for myself and see how the Fort Worth area is like.
I like Denton, the rest of them are somewhat shit. The DFW metroplex now stretches from Oklahoma to Waxahachie. .
What do you like about Denton in particular?
From what I researched, Denton is somewhat larger than all the other areas I looked at.
I am personally looking at small suburbs on purpose because I rather avoid being in a large city when shit hits the fan undoubtedly later this year.
Denton is kinda shitty and left of center thanks to UNT being located there. And the strip mall culture that another poster said (that’s totally accurate) is worse in Denton because those were built in the 70s and 80s and need a revamp.
You will need a car, it’s Summer from June until mid-October, you will need a tolltag, prices are increasing everywhere for everything, avoid 380 like your life depends on it, I hate Californians, get a house inspection, it’s windy and we occasionally get tornadoes, a 1 hour commute each way is reasonable, BBQ is really expensive, we put jalapeños on EVERYTHING, Tex Mex is just more melted cheese and chili concarne on your plate, people may appear rich but that doesn’t mean they are, Jack in the Box is actually good here, Whataburger is overrated but cannon here, we have SMU & TCU but most people are UT or OU fans, you ask for a coke if you want a soft drink, Lonestar beer sucks but is a tradition, we have shitloads of mosquitos. That was a long run on sentence.
>a 1 hour commute each way is reasonable
no it isn't
Yes it is. Some people drive longer too. It’s crazy. Not quite California but if more Californians move here, well....
they're wrong to do so.
When you say occasionally get tornadoes, should I be really worried that a strong tornado might completely destroy my future residence and all of my belongings.
I can empathize with hating Californians since they come in and keep all of their bad voting habits while driving up prices.
With all of the COVID hysteria going on, I personally want to steer clear of places with lots of leftists.
Guess that means Denton is probably not the best place for me.
It’s “cheap” because it’s run down, but that won’t last due to the influx of Californians (whom I hate). The up & coming places are Gunter, Aubrey, Celina, & Preston if you’re looking at north Dallas.
You don't need to be really worried. It's just a small risk that's always with us. It's what insurance is for.
I lived a lot of my life in Texas although I am not there now. I would ask where you are now (California?) and what you're looking for. There is a whole lotta strip mall, parking lot, air conditioned drive up throwaway culture in the ever expanding DFW metroplex.
If you live in Texas your life will require a car and your life will be driving, driving, and driving somewhere all the time; always.
Save Denton (which used to be an actual town), all of the rest are exurb mini mcmansion tract home ever-pavement burbs without redemption.
First of all, thanks so much for providing input!
Yeah I sadly am located in a blue state. I would love to specify which one but there are likely people lurking on this site who would love to dox people like us.
My employer has mandated the jab even though I have been working remotely for over a year. I am hoping to get an exemption and work remotely from Texas.
If that fails I am hoping to find a new employer in Texas who won't mandate it.
Basically it has become time for me to get the hell out of my current state.
I am mainly looking for a quiet safe area to live where my neighbors won't be hysterical COVID cult leftists.
I am starting to fear that the powers that be will eventually move to rounding up the unvaccinated atleast in blue states by using the heinous Japanese internment camp Korematsu case as legal precedent.
Look at this recent news: https://nationalfile.com/natl-guard-internment-resettlement-specialist/
I rather not be completely surrounded by leftist neighbors when some bullshit like this goes down.
I am mainly looking for a safe suburban area with sane right leaning neighbors.
It would be really great if I can also avoid living in an area that could be in the direct path of a tornado.
I don't really care about living in a fun city where there are many fun things to do.
It is so sad that I am at the point where I actually think that as long as I can have a job, buy some groceries and get healthcare if I need it, I will be content.
The powers that be are taking everything from us.
I am fine with relying on a car to go to places.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks again!
Texas has a lot of downsides and I could write a book.
But if it is endless freeway off-ramp burbs you want in the DFW area, there is an infinite supply.
I don't know what you do for a living and if you can WFH, but if that were me I might migrate to the Athens tx area, somewhat more deep-southier; still real, good rainfall and great food without the never ending freeway offramp type of development. Athens TX is a nice place.
I work in tech so I know WFH can be done.
Athens looks like it is a retirement community at least 70 miles away from any major tech hubs where I could find in person work.
Just curious but if you had to list the worst three downsides about Texas, what are they?
You should look at the hill country outside of Austin then. Look at Fredericksburg, Johnson City, Burnet, and Marble Falls. Very conservative and you'll be within driving distance to Austin if you need to drive into work.
North Texas ain't it then. Although the risk isn't that high. Certainly not like Oklahoma, but you'll still be on the southern edge of Tornado Alley. When tornados do happen in Texas they are much smaller and weaker than in OK.
I am generally looking at North Texas since the current border fiasco makes South Texas seem like a poor choice to live.
As long as the risk for a massive tornado capable of completely destroying my residence and all my belongings is low, I would be willing to take a chance on northern Texas.
If you want to dodge potential US government internment camps, obviously, you should not stay in America.
Failing that, you should live somewhere red and costal, like south Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi etc so you can bug out quickly to a foreign country when the camp guards show up.
Damn what a clown world where we have to practically think about shit like this.
Denton is a cross between Austin, retirement homes and the worst of East Texas.
The colleges there make it more stupid.
Have you considered having a separate "bug out" property that was more rural and perhaps less developed (eg. basic cabin/shelter instead of a house) than your primary house?
Hmm I have not really considered that.
With the way things are going, I guess I will have to start considering things like this if things continue to get worse.
It's something I've been considering as I do my own search (though not in Texas). A smaller property for your house + a larger undeveloped property for crops/hunting may open up a few more options and/or be cheaper than a larger property for your house.
Though of course this needs to be weighed against your ability to get to that property when you need to. And of course the larger philosophical question of "do you want to make your stand in a location less likely to be attacked but where you may not have friends (or as many of them), or do you want to make your stand in an area which may be a larger target but where you can depend on your community?"
I really hope Texas will somewhat remain a bastion against COVID hysteria like Florida.
I hopefully will be able to move there soonish.
I will let you know when I make it happen.
I am always happy to make some non woke friends.
I hate to break it to you but the epicenter of leftism in Texas is Dallas and not Austin. The incident where the salon owner was arrested for defying the lockdown order was in Dallas. The James Younger travesty also is unfolding in Dallas. The BLM terrorist who murdered a bunch of cops was in Dallas. The BLM blockade of traffic back in May occurred in Plano, just outside of Dallas. The black Plano chief of police is also a BLM sympathizer.
Fort Worth is much better than Dallas if you want to avoid leftists.
Thanks for this information!
I knew Dallas was somewhat left leaning but man this sounds horrific.
I was already looking more at places near the Fort Worth area.
A rant from a 6th generation Texan.
The last thing we need in North Texas is more f*g people.
The influx of people from failed states and nations is killing any common culture and driving prices and tempers up. (Not that we had much culture outside of TexMex, farms and suburbs to begin with... ) But the price is turning from mostly nice with an occasional challenge from "Muther" Nature to "F this place."
It's rare to find a majority Texas born office place or new sub-division. Everyone is from CA, NY, IL, MX, India or somewhere not Texas. Texas is the latest gold rush for all the carpet baggers and locusts. (Cue the Brian Burns song...)
It's quickly turning into California. Politics, water issues and failing power grid included. Traffic has tripled in the last decade and the amount of farmland that has turned into exurbia and strip centers in that time is insane. Property assessments and taxes have more than doubled or tripled in the last 5 years.
Dallas has had two tornadoes in the last two years and a major one hit Garland in 2015. Not to mention the one in FW that took out all the windows in the Bank One tower a few decades ago.
You can tell the smart natives because they have the weather and radar apps pulled up on their smart phones most of the year. You can tell the older North Texas natives because they can rattle off all the major storms, (Tornado, Hail, Winter, Wind, Dust, Mud, Flood... yes Mud..), in their life and dismiss the 2011 heat wave 'cause they lived through the summer of 1980 with a shitty swamp cooler in the house and no car AC. (I had to work in the heat outside both of those summers. Try felling a hackberry tree in 115 degree weather with an overheating Skil...)
Denton County has become a mess in the last decade with the folks fleeing further out from Dallas. Collin County isn't much better. The difference between Dallas County and Denton and Collin is that Dallas County is run by corrupt Democrats and Denton and Collin Counties are run slightly better by corrupt Republicans. Tarrant County falls somewhere in between.
As for the jab. Companies and other organizations can still mandate it and fire you if you don't respect their authority. This is allowed in Texas due to it being a right to work state. Many of these institutions are still run by people from CA, NY, IL or DC that still suck elite c*s on the golf course and trust the MSM and drink the Flavor Aid. (Hopefully we never have to go back to the office full-time, because half the team will quit..)
And if you do move here, don't bitch about the drivers because most of them are not natives. Also don't ever mention how nice the weather/beach/mountains are back "home", because we will ask you to return.
I would say try Oklahoma instead of Texas, but most of them moved to Dallas years ago...
Great post 👏 110% true.
Know the area well, lived there for a bit, and drove all over it for work. Still have friends there. If you need to be in town for work commute purposes, I'd stay to the Northwest. Northlake/Argyle is fine, Azle isn't bad but Jacksboro Highway can be brutal at rush hours and if you were commuting into Dallas county it's really far. In theory you could go east along I-30 and be fine if beyond Rockwall I just never liked that area much. I don't trust Keller or the Frisco area because that's where a huge number of the people moving in go and I think they trend lefty quicker. If you really want to be closer to middle of town I'd go to Hurst, Bedford, Euless, or Colleyville, they aren't as nice seeming but there's a lot more locals. Don't even think about anything in Dallas county.
If I were working from home, I'd get out of town more myself. I've thought about moving a bit closer to DFW as I have friends there since I WFH now, but I'm thinking a place like Stephenville or Paris. A little out of town but still big enough not have basic shopping and good utilities. Tyler is nice last time I was there too.
I've lived in Tornado land all my life. If you're worried about it get a shelter. The news does a good job tracking them, they rarely sneak up on you if you're paying attention. Hail like someone else mentions sucks, less lethal but it can total a car and cause big house damage. Ice is so rare only the transplants whine about it. The rest of us go out and sled in the streets.
Another suggestion if you want a metro and aren't set in Texas, northwest OKC/Edmond area is super nice, a bit cheaper, and OK is very red on politics. I don't think they ever even had a mask mandate statewide. Avoid Tulsa.
Paris is the center of Meth Texas. Used to be nicer, just depressing now...
OK has a state income tax and crappier roads than Texas. It's universities are going full commie... But it might be cheaper than North Texas if you can find a good place.
Yeah I like that northwest OKC area for a metro but that's about it for OK. I wouldn't move anywhere else in OK for sure.
Shame that Paris has gone to shit, I haven't been up there since I moved further away but when I spent a ton of time up there when I did field work and always liked that area.
Stephenville is still dry isn't it? Crappiest college town ever.
I was just there six months ago, but I'm not much of a drinker so I don't remember. It very well could be still. I just like that size town myself, I don't want to be so remote it's a big deal when I need to get groceries or go to a hardware store. Tons of highways go through there too.
But yeah, good thing to bring up if someone is looking to move the concept of dry cities and counties map be totally foreign to them.
Thanks for all this information!
Do you by any chance know anything about the Watauga area?
From what I researched it looks like a nice quiet area with some blue collar people who I hope will be less likely to go full blown COVID hysteria when the powers that be ramp up the fearporn during this upcoming flu season.
Watauga is just south of Keller. I've driven through there. It's not a huge area so you kinda miss it between Keller and North Richland Hills. I wouldn't give it a much different personality than the Keller area except it's already built up and if I had to guess not as attracting of the "my work relocated me here crowd."
There's a lot of cities like that in DFW especially on the west side just scattered in with no real personality of their own. Not that it's necessarily bad. I wouldn't have any specific problem with Watauga itself.