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I almost wouldn't care if Russia took over the USA at this point (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 5 years ago by kratomlol 5 years ago by kratomlol +105 / -0
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– Gizortnik 8 points 5 years ago +8 / -0

So does monarchism, aristocracy, and hereditary rule.

There is a reason the children of very wealthy people blow it all: their lack of strife generates the stupidity that their successful parents rebuffed. The aristocracy is one of the most stupid institutions you could have politically. That's why the elites become out of touch in the first place.

Monarchism doesn't help.

Voting, more than 'Democracy', has a chance of working when managed properly.

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– Piroko 21 points 5 years ago +21 / -0

You can kill a crummy unaccountable monarch.

Dealing with crummy unaccountable voters always involves massacres.

Voting, more than 'Democracy', has a chance of working when managed properly.

You mean when it's an oligarchy.

The second we started expanding the franchise, we ceased being an oligarchy, and we were damned from that point on.

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– w-duranty6489 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

You can kill a crummy unaccountable monarch.

Dealing with crummy unaccountable voters always involves massacres.

Why are you telling us to kill voters instead of the monarch-equivalent, the president.

What happens to all the muh real king muh usurper people then. Even if they didn't vote it's not like they just disappear.

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– Piroko 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

I'm telling you what happens.

We'll end just like Athens did.

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– Gizortnik 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

You can kill a crummy unaccountable monarch.

You really can't, and it's not that easy. You're guaranteeing a horrific Civil War every few years were swaths of your population are killed unseating yet another ignorant monarch, who will continue to not properly protect the country. Your solution to defeat a tyrant... is with more tyrants. This is what has always happened as an established monarchy breaks down. Warring factions start vying for power to seize control, and everyone is left worse off from the instability.

You want stability, so your solution to poor leadership is violent instability by the mob. It doesn't work.

You mean when it's an oligarchy.

No, that's not any better, it might even be worse as the aristocracy tends to be even worse than the monarch. I mean having Republican voting systems rather than Direct Democracy / "Representative" voting systems.

The second we started expanding the franchise, we ceased being an oligarchy, and we were damned from that point on.

Ha ha ha. You actually think we're not an oligarchy right now!

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– Piroko 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

so your solution to poor leadership is violent instability by the mob

You've got that backwards.

We've got the mob now.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

And you'll get the mob under monarchism too. The petty tyrant will always call himself "Democracy" because he is a "people's state". He's "a man of the people".

You will find startling resemblances between Tyrants and Leftists.

As with Tyrants, the mobs today are simply the violent proxies of the establishment attempting to crush dissent, then claiming that they are working on behalf of the people (whom they sent out to attack dissidents in the first place).

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– Piroko 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

You really can't, and it's not that easy.

Do you know why the German military failed so many times to kill Hitler?

Because not a single one of them was willing to die to do it.

John Wilkes Booth... was willing to die.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

That's not really true about either of them.

Booth wasn't willing to die because he made sure to escape and flee. Most of his conspirators definitely weren't willing to die, because they didn't even go through with it.

The Wermacht's conspirators were willing to die, that's why they all knew that if they got caught they'd be killed, and so was everyone who helped them. It would have been relatively easy to stab or shoot Hitler, but it would not have prevented Goebbels or Goering from taking power immediately afterward without a proper coup. And tracking down the plotters would be easy if it's obvious who killed him.

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