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How is /anybody/ believing this mask story more? (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 4 years ago by xleb2 4 years ago by xleb2 +58 / -2
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– cartoonericroberts 31 points 4 years ago +31 / -0

Someone argued to my wife that she should wear a mask because even though she is vaccinated because she could carry covid germs on her clothes. Masks are magical protection talismans.

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– FrostedCricketFlakes 11 points 4 years ago +12 / -1

She can still get the virus. There have been thousands of breakthrough cases, including those who were hospitalized or died. CDC is even reducing PCR count to 28 for post-vaccinated only to make it seem like the vaccine is more effective. (28 is a reasonable cycle count, 35-45 which is used otherwise is not)

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– cartoonericroberts 15 points 4 years ago +15 / -0

(28 is a reasonable cycle count, 35-45 which is used otherwise is not)

Wouldn't this indicate that the CDC isn't trying to make the vaccine seem more effective but that they were trying to drive the case numbers up under Trump?

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– FrostedCricketFlakes 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

Both. The 35-45 succeeded against Trump, and now the focus is on pressuring vaccinations. Since 28 is only for post-vaccinated, the gap in false positives (compared to 35-45) alone could "prove" the vaccines are effective. The WHO has also removed naturally gained immunity from the herd immunity definition, and Fauci has gone from 60-70%, to 80+%, to "We want to do as many people vaccinated as we possibly can, and not focus on an elusive number that nobody even knows what that number is."

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– current_horror 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

The good people at the CDC have actually gone ahead and said the quiet part out loud.

As previously announced, CDC is transitioning to reporting only COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections that result in hospitalization or death to help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance.

They are no longer counting breakthrough cases unless they rise to the level of hospitalization or death. Put another way: they are only counting breakthrough cases when it is impossible to ignore them.

We know that only 1-5% of positive cases require hospitalization. So there's a possibility that 95-99% of breakthrough cases are not being reported by the CDC.

We also know that the vaccines hypothetically reduce hospitalization. This would further reduce the number of breakthrough cases deemed "relevant" by the CDC.

We also know that a significant number of covid cases present nearly asymptomatically, which means a large number of breakthrough cases will never even be diagnosed, let alone not recorded by the CDC.

Put it all together and there's a possibility that the CDC will only record a fraction of 1% of breakthrough cases.

Why?

to help maximize the quality of the data on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance

This sentence is pure obscurantist nonsense. The CDC is simply pretending that the vast, vast majority of breakthrough cases are medically unimportant while simultaneously pretending that the vast, vast majority of unvaccinated cases are critically important. The end result will be an insanely skewed and dishonest data set that fraudulently indicates enormous efficacy for the vaccines. And because journalists are more likely to launder bad science than criticise it, we will be seeing plenty of articles claiming that the vaccines magically prevent infection/transmission despite this never being the intended purpose of these vaccines.

Edit: imagine what covid-19 case numbers would have looked like if they'd only ever counted cases requiring hospitalization. The information would have been almost meaningless. Yet that's exactly how the CDC is counting breakthrough cases now. In the name of "quality data". Because ignoring data is how you do science in 2021.

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