I'm gonna drop some truths here, fite me.
Is loli a form of pedophilia? Yes. It is. Its consumers are terrible people. They are not criminals, in that the law is only concerned with preventing the exploitation of actual children. Our bill of rights is exceptionally permissive of offensive ideas, but simply because we tolerate something to exist does not constitute a moral endorsement.
Lolicons are like people who abuse ritalin. It doesn't make it "not meth" simply because you're not cooking it from Sudafed and batteries.
Are people being paid to keep making these retard moral authoritarian threads?
I don't like loli at all but I can see how the left will use your moral grandstanding to ban things we all care about such as discussion of controversial topics and non leftist political speech.
We all hate the authoritarian left so let's focus on what unites us all instead of these useless fucking topics that divides us unnecessarily.
Well, see, here's the problem:
Every time we stand up a new system to provide a community for the political exiles of the culture war, it becomes appropriated by the also-exiled undesirables.
Consider the furry community. They were already radioactive enough to have to build their own site (furaffinity), but that site went hard SJW and cracked down on the ironic nazi furries. But just because they're not welcome on their site doesn't mean they're not still furries. If they start congregating at another site, the fact that they're political refugees doesn't absolve them of being furries.
You want to keep dividing our small userbase, go right ahead on making more threads about this loli bullshit.
The site we are currently on doesn't have any porn and I am totally fine with that.
You want to gatekeep?
We already do gatekeep with our rules.
We don't even have porn here on this site.
What are you going to gatekeep?
The rules we had all this time here have been decent.
This site has been a pretty good place for rational discussion on multiple topics over the last few months.
The loli discussion threads on the other hand have contained some of the most smoothbrain arguments I ever seen on this site. Some new account poster actually said that all anime itself is a gateway to pedophilia.
It was the pro loli, anti Gab/anti Minds posters who started this, not the dissenters. If cartoon porn is the hill they want to die on, let them.
Ahhhh your an ottman shill. Maybe people would’ve had less of a problem with his bullshit if he hadn’t tried to claim he was doing it for legal reasons when the article he linked plainly stated it was legal.
AYE!
It was them wot came in here and were like "HOW DARE MINDS BAN US, AMIRITE?"
All I see you saying is "you should be thankful that us freaks joined your clubhouse".
I don't like loli at all but I still defend it because I can see what banning it over "degeneracy" gets you.
You gonna call me a freak for that?
Fuck your implication that anyone who defends loli is a freak.
The recent loli threads shows me why the right always shoots itself in the foot and manages to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
"Moral" grandstanding fags among the right rather seethe about coomers fapping to lolis and not harming any real people than doing anything of value.
I am here on this site because I enjoy discussions with rational people. These dumb loli threads have definitely lowered the quality and created a vitriolic atmosphere.
I get the sense that you moral grandstanding fags irrationally hate anyone who even defends loli.
Just try to remember that we all share a common disdain for leftist authoritarians while you are seething over loli.
I would rather we all focus on the big problems than this stupid shit.
Well yes at a first impression view that does seem like a persistent theme for the last thirty years or so, but it's just a string of bad luck combined with very poor spin. But the right is having kids and the left isn't so in the long run, we'll win.
The left brainwashes the kids of conservatives and forces them to conform via their absolute hold on academia, the mainstream media, the government agencies, every major corporation and every major bank.
You won't win by just having more kids and seething about coomers fapping to lolis.
As demonstrated by your recent comment, much of the right is completely misguided on what they actually need to do to win.
im pretty sure its the other way round. most early people were pro loli but we get a bunch of newbies or brigaders that are anti loli and here we are.
You're the one who joined this clubhouse, not the other way around. You've done little more than sew discord in the ranks since you turned up on our doorstep.
I've been in GG since the beginning. There is at least one "We Hunted The Mammoth" article about me claiming I was a neo nazi.
I've just been banned from reddit so many times before we shifted to .win that most people don't remember my original username.
Meh, fair enough. I still think you've mostly just sewn division since you arrived on the .win site though.
I like arguing for its own sake. To really get to the good arguments though (so rare nowadays) you sometimes have to take really incendiary positions.
Compared to an SJW, I would say my beliefs are much more weakly held. An SJW can say with conviction that they hate lolicons and want them to die, and I believe them completely.
I don't feel so strongly about it. I simply want lolicons to admit that they're no better than pedos and stop putting on airs that they're aren't jacking it to children just because they're jacking it to drawings of children. They are bad and they should feel bad.
If consuming lolicon material makes you a pedophile, then killing hookers in GTA makes you a murderer just like Jack Thompson insisted.
No. Fuck you.
They see "LITERALLY A KID" and we see "anime character" . Also i think a lot of them are newbies or brigadiers from other subs.
Uh. No. You are wrong and more importantly spiritually unwell.
Uh. No. You are wrong and more importantly you can not tell the difference between fiction and reality.
False equivalency. What makes the consumer a pedophile is the animus that makes it appealing.
^guy above is a newbie brigader that made an account just to call people ped0s over lolis on this board and is not at all projecting his own problems
You just entered the Orwellian thoughtcrime territory. Reconsider.
Nah, if you jack it to pictures of men and you're a man, you're gay, even if they are cartoon men. If you jack it to pictures of children, you're a pedo, even if they are cartoon children. Heal your spiritual sickness; don't feed it.
One problem. People are defined by their actions, not their thoughts.
Actually, no. That's bullshit. Like, sure, if you build a bridge you're a bridge builder and if you don't you aren't, so there are classes of people where inclusion in that class is defined by actions, but what about bridge enthusiasts, you just got to like bridges to be included in this class, so this class is defined by thoughts. So yeah, if you look at diagrams of bridges while jacking your micro-dick you're a pedo- I mean bridge enthusiast.
Actually, yes. That's gold. The reason why people are disgusted by pedophiles is the lasting damage against living, breathing children.
Drawings on a screen or a piece of paper are not real children. Not a single living, breathing child has been touched, groomed or made uncomfortable. The damage is imaginary, non-existent and it only lasts as long as you fixate on it.
No, people are disgusted by pedophiles because they are disgusting and to anyone who isn't spiritually unwell that is obvious.
Man is an animal. It's only the deterrence of risk and energy expenditure that moderates behavior.
I do happen to think that in the absence of social order man will degenerate to the lowest common denominator of raw id thinking.
I'll tell you the difference between you and me. You disagree with Hobbes (whether you know it ornot), where I think Leviathan was right on point.
Did you just admit to being a pedo who only holds back because of legal repercussions? Or did you admit to wanting to commit murder?
The thing about Hobbes is that you can't make that argument without saying the same about yourself.
I'm just content to say that I want a boat.
So you are an obedient slave to an outdated text written by a child fucking monarch who only hides your base desires for fear of punishment? Yea good way to represent your entire existence there.
Pleasure is a thought. Do you want to police people's thoughts rather than their actions?
One problem. SJWs also attack lolicon/anime and you're helping them.
Everyone who's frothing at the mouth trying to ban lolis is a pedophile panicking about being outed. The endless obsession with it is very telling.
No, the people who are advocating for tolerance for lolicons are the pedophiles.
The rest of us are just Dadists, to use Sargon's lingo.
Pedophilia is a goddamn mental problem. By saying loli is a form of pedophilia you are saying that everyone that likes loli has the same mental sickness as someone who actually wants to fuck children.
I explained this in another thread already, and I'll explain it here too. They are not the same fucking thing. Saying they are, is like saying someone who jerks it to rape porn, is a sicko who wants to actually rape someone/be raped in real life. No.
These are fictional erotica, designed to appeal to specific fantasies that are desired by the consumers. For rape, it's the feeling of either taking, or relinquishing control. For loli, I assume people like it because of the "taboo" or "forbidden indulgence", the feeling of enjoying something that's supposed to be off limits. This is why hentai usually portrays lolis with none of the downsides they'd have in real life. Instead they're clean, experienced, have unrealistic body shapes, and aren't traumatized at the end of the story.
In real life, these fantasies don't happen. When a woman is actually raped, she doesn't get a feeling of liberation from relinquishing control. Instead, she just feels miserable, because she's being fucking raped. In the same vain, most people who enjoy lolicon are probably don't desire real children, because they are nothing like hentai. There is no "forbidden indulgence" to be had in real life, because real kids are gross and annoying, and they would be traumatized.
So no, lolicon is not pedophilia, in the same way that people who like rape porn don't wish they could rape someone/be raped in real life. But please, feel free to keep insisting that people who jerk it to completely fictional drawings have mental problems equivalent to some of the most heinous criminals on planet earth. If you ask me, anyone who believes that is the one with the mental problem.
The only thing you have on your account is trying to call people pedos on this board over loli.
"it wasn't really active so i didnt do much , yet i didn't know that this board has been traditionally more pro loli." Yeah ok newbie brigader. Go back to whatever sub you came from.
Just not at all interested in the opinions of newbie brigaders that are only interested in calling people pedos over loli here,
It's not. No more than Xbox is infested by dudes who had sex with your mom.
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart
-Matthew 5:27-28
Bible thumpers are as bad as coomers, stop with your (((sky daddy))) retardation and be pragmatic.
Men are polygamous, women are hypergamous; that's a scientific fact.
I will say though that religion did serve an absolutely critical role in how it restricted the biological drives of men and women. And now with it gone and nothing to replace it we can see the family units, and our society and culture crumbling.
religion is good in some aspects but bible thumpers can be still retarded
You do get you’ve based you’re entire lite on a book written by a monarch and his advisors to mass manipulate the masses about a thousand years ago.
"Intelligence has always under a monarchical government a much better chance against its irreconcilable and ever-present foe, stupidity."
-Schopenhauer
So to clarify you are a religious nutter in favor of monarchies? You really do love being bound by the will of other rather than your own free thought.
What has democracy done but enable the loudest group of stupid people?
A few off the top of my head gotten us to the moon, ended starvation for billions, created a communication network that allows near instantaneous communication across the planet, created antibiotics. And a couple trillion other things that have never happened under a monarchy.
To equate scientific progress to a political system is, at best, a very naive and nearsighted view of history.
If we even just focus on the anglophone world, it overlooks the role of the Royal Society, which predates America by at least a century and was responsible for most of the world's post-renaissance innovation up until American industry overtook them in the early 1900's.
I want to draw a line under that... American industry. Not the US Government. The government's main role in the advancement of knowledge has been to point at something and cut a gigantic check. Aside from the space program and the manhattan project, the government hasn't really accomplished anything but taken credit for the fruits of laize fare capitalism. The TYPICAL result of the government sticking its dick in things is the F-35, a committee designed piece of shit that exists to consume money, or a high speed rail that only connects Merced to Bakersfield.
It was the US Government that precipitated the collapse of urban commuter rail in the 1950's, by teaming up with the automakers to regulate trains out of existence. It was the US Government that directed the construction of the interstate highways with the excuse that everyone needed a car to gtfo of the cities when the bombs started falling.
Louis Pasteur did his work as a member of the French Academy of Sciences, which was founded by Louis XIV, and did his work under the reign of Emperor Napoelon III.
Anyone who remembers the Ma Bell breakup knows America is not the paragon of wisdom in telecommunications. Our distaste for monopolies has on more than a few occasions forced us to make incredibly stupid decisions when faced with a natural monopoly situation.
And just as a closing point, FYI...
The pinnacle of the Empire, the Great Exhibition in 1851, was built in 9 months. An all metal and glass building, which if it was standing today would still be in the top 25 convention centers in the world by raw square footage, built from plans to DONE in 9 months. Nine. Months.
Damn wish I could find it but I remember reading an article or seeing a video on psychologists that deal with reform therapy for actual pedophiles in prison. They use loli like a nicotine patch for smokers and one of the psychologists they interviewed said that when he started he was anti pedo and the like but 2 weeks after treating a bunch of prisoners he drifted more to apathy when some couldn't control urges and some had fallen deep into that hole to develop an obsession.
Him working with these prisoners changed his opinion on the issue.
I know of what you speak of. The fact that it works as a substitute supports my position.
My stance is this: Lolicons, are not better people than the people they deride as pedophiles. They ARE pedophiles, and they're just taking a very narrow definition of the word to make themselves undeservedly feel better than they should.
If a man constantly goes out with women who look like children or teenagers, I'd say that he was a pedo who was dealing with his urges through legal means. Of course that's better than actually committing the act of pedophilia, but at the same time they aren't our people. All deviancy must be rejected, not one bit should be tolerated.
That's what I've been saying.
You sure you replied to the right post?
What is the issue here. ? Certain people see "ITS LITERALLY A KID" whilst others see "anime character " that is what is going on.
That was a lot of words to admit to being a retarded faggot.
What is the attractiveness of loli? Please answer me anyone who finds it attractive.
You were down voted as I wrote this. What kind of degenerates are so passionate about this that they'd down vote people? In frankness they aren't people who should be on our side.
I don't want them here. Go join the left you'll get your children soon.
Yeah no get lost. You are the one that we dont want here. You antiloli are the new people here.
Guess I don't want to be here with a bunch of pedophiles.