There's nothing to gain for a man in marriage in the west and everything to lose. The current laws are the reason we're not having families, not someone posting about statistics on the internet.
The solution is to find women worth marrying and work to get rid of no fault divorce or move to places without it. Research prenup precedent in the place you live and make sure it gets respected.
good luck with that one. And still, people change, feelings change. Marrying her is putting a loaded gun in her hand and letting her know she'll face no bad consequences if she unloaded it into your had. Sure, you might have found the unicorn, but that's a risk that less and less man are willing to take. Rightfully so.
get rid of no fault divorce
good luck with that one. And I really mean it. I wish you all the luck in the world because without it there's no getting rid of no fault divorce. Not unless women suffer from it. Which won't happen anytime soon.
Research prenup precedent
Yap, put more responsibility on the man. Good idea. He should have researched the fucking legal system before letting the state divorce rape him.
I mean, I think you mean well but as is, marriage is a game of russian roulette and only the man has to pull the trigger. You might survive but the odds are stuck mightily against you.
Unless the deal gets altered significantly you'll see the western family and civilisation with it crumble more and more. And I think it's insulting even thinking about blaming normal men for it.
And by the time you are finished doing seven steps and months of legal work, even the most "worth it" woman will have fallen out of love and moved on because for her you are only doing this because you don't "trust her."
You just as soon tell people to invest heavy in lotto tickets with that many lucky finds.
Hard disagree. The problem isn't that men are marrying women who plan to do this to them. The problem is that EVERY women can do this. At any moment, on a whim, risking nothing.
When a man and woman get married in the Western world, they are making two very different levels of commitment. The woman is committing to be married to this man for as long as it pleases her to do so. The man is committing to being financially beholden to this woman for as long as SHE likes.
If, at any point for the rest of their lives, she decides that she would be happier if she didn't have to look at your fucking face every day, she can demand a divorce. At the end of which, she'll get half of everything you've built so far, plus a monthly salary (for having allowed you to be married to her in the first place).
If there are kids, she gets the kids (don't worry though, you still get to pay for the kids. You don't get to raise them, but you get to pay for them).
If there's a house, she gets the house (I mean, she's got the kids, she has to have the house. Right?).
If there's a car, she gets the car (how else is she gonna transport the kids to and from the house?).
If there's a dog, she gets the fucking dog (she never even liked that dog).
IF, on the other hand, you decide, at any point, that you are soul-crushingly unhappy, and that you're gonna kill yourself if you don't get away from this woman, then you can demand a divorce. At the end of which, she'll get half of everything you've built so far, plus a monthly salary, plus the kids, the child support, the house, the car, and the fucking dog.
The problem here isn't that more and more men are behaving as though marriage is a truly terrible deal for them, it's that marriage is a truly terrible deal for men.
No matter how wonderful this woman might be, this deal doesn't get any better.
You won't save the west with modern women in any capacity. Feminism is a critical theory baby which means anyone who embraces it to any capacity will inherently view men as the bourgeois
But forcing men into slavery won't cut it either.
There's nothing to gain for a man in marriage in the west and everything to lose. The current laws are the reason we're not having families, not someone posting about statistics on the internet.
The solution is to find women worth marrying and work to get rid of no fault divorce or move to places without it. Research prenup precedent in the place you live and make sure it gets respected.
good luck with that one. And still, people change, feelings change. Marrying her is putting a loaded gun in her hand and letting her know she'll face no bad consequences if she unloaded it into your had. Sure, you might have found the unicorn, but that's a risk that less and less man are willing to take. Rightfully so.
good luck with that one. And I really mean it. I wish you all the luck in the world because without it there's no getting rid of no fault divorce. Not unless women suffer from it. Which won't happen anytime soon.
Yap, put more responsibility on the man. Good idea. He should have researched the fucking legal system before letting the state divorce rape him.
I mean, I think you mean well but as is, marriage is a game of russian roulette and only the man has to pull the trigger. You might survive but the odds are stuck mightily against you.
Unless the deal gets altered significantly you'll see the western family and civilisation with it crumble more and more. And I think it's insulting even thinking about blaming normal men for it.
I ain't saying it's fair what men have to go through to protect ourselves. I'm saying it's necessary.
"get rid of no fault divorce or move to places without it."
Both of these things are met with heavy resistance from tradcons.
And by the time you are finished doing seven steps and months of legal work, even the most "worth it" woman will have fallen out of love and moved on because for her you are only doing this because you don't "trust her."
You just as soon tell people to invest heavy in lotto tickets with that many lucky finds.
Lotto tickets probably have a better win rate.
Hard disagree. The problem isn't that men are marrying women who plan to do this to them. The problem is that EVERY women can do this. At any moment, on a whim, risking nothing.
When a man and woman get married in the Western world, they are making two very different levels of commitment. The woman is committing to be married to this man for as long as it pleases her to do so. The man is committing to being financially beholden to this woman for as long as SHE likes.
If, at any point for the rest of their lives, she decides that she would be happier if she didn't have to look at your fucking face every day, she can demand a divorce. At the end of which, she'll get half of everything you've built so far, plus a monthly salary (for having allowed you to be married to her in the first place).
If there are kids, she gets the kids (don't worry though, you still get to pay for the kids. You don't get to raise them, but you get to pay for them).
If there's a house, she gets the house (I mean, she's got the kids, she has to have the house. Right?).
If there's a car, she gets the car (how else is she gonna transport the kids to and from the house?).
If there's a dog, she gets the fucking dog (she never even liked that dog).
IF, on the other hand, you decide, at any point, that you are soul-crushingly unhappy, and that you're gonna kill yourself if you don't get away from this woman, then you can demand a divorce. At the end of which, she'll get half of everything you've built so far, plus a monthly salary, plus the kids, the child support, the house, the car, and the fucking dog.
The problem here isn't that more and more men are behaving as though marriage is a truly terrible deal for them, it's that marriage is a truly terrible deal for men.
No matter how wonderful this woman might be, this deal doesn't get any better.
You won't save the west with modern women in any capacity. Feminism is a critical theory baby which means anyone who embraces it to any capacity will inherently view men as the bourgeois
yes, but after a divorce, you are back to square one. so better don't start one at all.
id argue that your probably worse off after a divorce, especially if there are children involved
You aren't going to save the west by getting divorce raped either.
Marriage right now is a completely loser's game for men.
Because having families would have helped beat Kamala Harris - Oh wait, they rigged it, so more voters against her means nothing.