the countries which join EU receive advantages and disadvantages. one of the advantages is that poorer countries are entitled to receive more EU funds. and Poland and Hungary get. one of the disadvantages is that you cannot change the form of your state from a democracy with the division of power: executive, legislative, and judiciary. in short, EU doesn't allow dictatorship inside of it.
when a country became a dictatorship in EU the other states can vote and stop the funding to go in that country or even expel the country if it gets really bad. but there is a catch. EU gave themselves as a rule that in order to single out a state all the other states must vote unanimously against. because Hungary and Poland are allied in this they don't vote against each other, unanimously can't be reached. Hungary and Poland stay safe. also even changing this rule require a unanimous vote so is a deadlock.
Hungary is de facto a dictatorship and Poland tried to become one. according to the rules of EU they are still entitled to get a shitload of EU funds but they basically ignore to abide by any obligation to stay in the EU involves. not only that but they also use the same funds to make ferocious propaganda against EU. so EU they are pretty pissed against them.
so every time there is a votation in EU to give extra funds all the fucking time this thing of rule of law is inserted to fuck over rogue states. I'm not sure of much effective, is it.
I'm an objective person. I do agree politically with all the position of Hungary and Poland leaders minus abortion. also, Hungary and Poland found the catch 22 to keep doing what they are doing legally, but I am not a fool. one thing is the campaign to get people's consensus. and one thing is getting all power of the state in a few pairs of hands.
Why do people consider Hungary or Poland a dictatorship? Do they not elect a president or a prime minister (not sure) democratically and do they not have any balances like a senate or parliament to limit their power in case they become abusive?
they aren't and they haven't tried to become on. This dude is parroting common talking points as if saying it often enough will make it a fact.
Orbans government and Kacinski's government are both democracatically elected, but the parties are very corrupt by western standards. They are shining beacons of truth and justice by the rest of the planets standards. It's just the proximity to governments that hide their corruption more skillfully that make them seem so bad.
In Poland, during previous parliament term, the ruling party had both houses of parliament and the president, thus the party chairman was de facto Sejm, Senate and the President. And since he can decide whether to publish constitutional tribunal rulings, he's also the Judiciary.
There are democratic elections, yes, every four years. In person, with having to show your ID actually. You can request to have your vote collected if there is a valid reason for it, then they bring a box to you.
Also, there is a parliament, yes. And for the most serious changes you will need a 2/3 majority for example.
Holy fuck, you're ignorant. Poland did not try to become a dicatatorship. Nothing about Poland is dictatorial. They are a democracy, lead by a party that is socially conservative and quite corrupt--but at no point have they been dictatorial. Merely generally corrupt.
I live in Poland. I don't like the reigning party, but never would I bend over to declare out my ass that Kacinski or Duda have tried to forge a dictatorship. The worst you can say about them and their sycopants is that they have used the parliament to enrich themselves.
all the dictatures claim to be democracies. and they go to a great length to save appearances, if that was not the case they would simply call themselves Kingdoms.
how Poland almost got a dictatorship? by attempting to "stacking the court".
Court-stacking is not dictatorial. It's partisan politics and in this case it was a blatant move to secure political success, but it still isn't enough to declare that PiS was attempting to create a dictatorship. Especially since both the courts and the EU managed to successfully prevent their amendments. Poland has problems, but they are not a dictatorship. PiS is corrupt, but they have not attempted to subvert the democracy so much as secure their political goals of ensuring their platform is represented whether they are in power or not. This is normal behavior for most political parties, especially those that secure a large enough majority to actually make those changes. It's sneaky, but it is standard.
you may be right in the case of Poland. but stacking the court is usually a serius hint. countries are going that way. it eventually rest of the shoulders of Poland's politicians convince their allies that is not the case.
the countries which join EU receive advantages and disadvantages. one of the advantages is that poorer countries are entitled to receive more EU funds. and Poland and Hungary get. one of the disadvantages is that you cannot change the form of your state from a democracy with the division of power: executive, legislative, and judiciary. in short, EU doesn't allow dictatorship inside of it.
when a country became a dictatorship in EU the other states can vote and stop the funding to go in that country or even expel the country if it gets really bad. but there is a catch. EU gave themselves as a rule that in order to single out a state all the other states must vote unanimously against. because Hungary and Poland are allied in this they don't vote against each other, unanimously can't be reached. Hungary and Poland stay safe. also even changing this rule require a unanimous vote so is a deadlock.
Hungary is de facto a dictatorship and Poland tried to become one. according to the rules of EU they are still entitled to get a shitload of EU funds but they basically ignore to abide by any obligation to stay in the EU involves. not only that but they also use the same funds to make ferocious propaganda against EU. so EU they are pretty pissed against them.
so every time there is a votation in EU to give extra funds all the fucking time this thing of rule of law is inserted to fuck over rogue states. I'm not sure of much effective, is it.
I'm an objective person. I do agree politically with all the position of Hungary and Poland leaders minus abortion. also, Hungary and Poland found the catch 22 to keep doing what they are doing legally, but I am not a fool. one thing is the campaign to get people's consensus. and one thing is getting all power of the state in a few pairs of hands.
Why do people consider Hungary or Poland a dictatorship? Do they not elect a president or a prime minister (not sure) democratically and do they not have any balances like a senate or parliament to limit their power in case they become abusive?
they aren't and they haven't tried to become on. This dude is parroting common talking points as if saying it often enough will make it a fact.
Orbans government and Kacinski's government are both democracatically elected, but the parties are very corrupt by western standards. They are shining beacons of truth and justice by the rest of the planets standards. It's just the proximity to governments that hide their corruption more skillfully that make them seem so bad.
In Poland, during previous parliament term, the ruling party had both houses of parliament and the president, thus the party chairman was de facto Sejm, Senate and the President. And since he can decide whether to publish constitutional tribunal rulings, he's also the Judiciary.
There are democratic elections, yes, every four years. In person, with having to show your ID actually. You can request to have your vote collected if there is a valid reason for it, then they bring a box to you.
Also, there is a parliament, yes. And for the most serious changes you will need a 2/3 majority for example.
Holy fuck, you're ignorant. Poland did not try to become a dicatatorship. Nothing about Poland is dictatorial. They are a democracy, lead by a party that is socially conservative and quite corrupt--but at no point have they been dictatorial. Merely generally corrupt.
I live in Poland. I don't like the reigning party, but never would I bend over to declare out my ass that Kacinski or Duda have tried to forge a dictatorship. The worst you can say about them and their sycopants is that they have used the parliament to enrich themselves.
Go blow smoke up your ass.
all the dictatures claim to be democracies. and they go to a great length to save appearances, if that was not the case they would simply call themselves Kingdoms.
how Poland almost got a dictatorship? by attempting to "stacking the court".
Court-stacking is not dictatorial. It's partisan politics and in this case it was a blatant move to secure political success, but it still isn't enough to declare that PiS was attempting to create a dictatorship. Especially since both the courts and the EU managed to successfully prevent their amendments. Poland has problems, but they are not a dictatorship. PiS is corrupt, but they have not attempted to subvert the democracy so much as secure their political goals of ensuring their platform is represented whether they are in power or not. This is normal behavior for most political parties, especially those that secure a large enough majority to actually make those changes. It's sneaky, but it is standard.
you may be right in the case of Poland. but stacking the court is usually a serius hint. countries are going that way. it eventually rest of the shoulders of Poland's politicians convince their allies that is not the case.
How is Hungary a de facto dictatorship?