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Critical Race Theory and Who should get vaccinated (hint: everyone but Whites) (mobile.twitter.com)
posted 5 years ago by Eldourado 5 years ago by Eldourado +51 / -0
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– Soup_Navy_Admiral 39 points 5 years ago +39 / -0

You say that like things rushed through for non-scientific reasons have a risk of bad side effects. How absurd!

(Laughs in thalidomide.)

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– Knife-TotingRat 16 points 5 years ago +16 / -0

Anyone seen Utopia yet?

And actually, Thalidomide was very thoroughly tested on a variety of species. Unfortunately, it only affects one non-human the same way it does the human - and that species is, ironically enough, the Guinea "Pig". And I recall reading a few years ago where it was being reinvestigated for other uses, with, of course, the caveat that pregnant human women can't have anything to do with it, no matter what.

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– Soup_Navy_Admiral 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

And actually, Thalidomide was very thoroughly tested on a variety of species.

And Dr. Kelsey apparently saw something in those test results that the governments of a bunch of other countries didn't (though not specifically about birth defects as I recall) and refused approval, leading to pressure on the FDA to approve the drug in the US as it was internationally, rather than waiting for further testing. I mean if I'm wrong about that do feel free to point out something other than the official line.

And yeah, it's apparently a good drug for other things.

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– spezpedobestfriend 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0
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– Knife-TotingRat 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Really, the Thalidomide case is more of an example of why "animal" testing is shit. They're like us enough to rely on experiments on them, but not like us enough to care about their suffering? Bullshit. You want results, use non-functioning, head-banging human retards instead. More ethical all the way around, and the results will be more sure for a human, because wE'rE nOt RaTs, at least when the results aren't something humans want to see (as in the psychological studies that have unfortunate implications for humans. I like how people expected rats in the Universe 25-like experiments to arrange themselves as if they weren't social, and were surprised that they clustered in "cities", rather than just individually claiming territory and spreading out equally. Gee, I guess they would expect humans in a Gilligan's Island situation to not work together, too? Dumbassed supremacists.)

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– send_it 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

The thalidomide issue is a bad example: it couldn't have been caught in clinical trials to begin with - you don't test drugs on pregnant women.

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– Soup_Navy_Admiral 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

you don't test drugs on pregnant women.

... you don't test morning sickness drugs on pregnant women?

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– send_it 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

Not during the clinical trials it needs to pass in order to be approved for sale, no.

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/should-pregnant-women-be-included-clinical-trials

Don't get me wrong, the actions taken around thalidomide AFTER its VEGF-blocking side effects became known are probably the worst example of recklessness and medical malpractice since the Tuskegee syphilis study - but they probably legitimately didn't know before clearing it for sale.

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