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xleb2 [S] 28 points ago +28 / -0

Lawrence of Arabia is considered by many, including me, as possibly one of the best movies of the 20th century. but now suddenly it's racist? A movie which will undoubtedly stand the test of time for 20th century golden age greatness and grandeur; a Mozart of a movie. And these fukwads want to slap it with censorship?

Or perhaps now that the agreements and treaties and subjugations made WWI-WWII have almost completely collapsed, leaving this legacy movie of TE Lawrence a very inconvenient reminder of the screw job handed to the middle east by the European aristocracy. Not a good look for them, way too much truth.

CanuckElhead 9 points ago +9 / -0

Probably has more to do with the movie being pretty blatant on how things like honor killings and tribal rivalries are backwards and destroy any chance of self-rule.

Knife-TotingRat 24 points ago +24 / -0 (edited)

Dumbo. The movie gets better once the crows show up. They're the only ones who are actually nice, decent people outside of Dumbo, Timothy, and Mrs Jumbo herself. The clowns are miserable drunks, the guests are spoiled brats, the other elephants are bullies, etc. What, they wear ragged clothes? It's the depression, and this is a rural setting. Everyone dressed like that. Like their clothes came from a church jumble sale. Because they did. And you'd wear those clothes until they were literally unwearable shreds (I treat my clothes the same way, and THEY all came from second-hand stores, too. I just don't like clothes shopping much.) Oh, and the charity glasses, and the fat stogie. All common Depression-era sights and tropes. A bit aggressive? Well, what's in trees is their business, as crows. And elephants "don't belong" in trees, "everybody knows that".

Lady and the Tramp: Oh, the SIAMESE CATS? I had one. Yeah, they can be real bastards, who would relish getting dogs in trouble (mine was a giantess, she just chased big dogs down the street. Had a Rottweiler basically under her command, too. Was not my dog.) Fuck you, they'd put on that accent just to piss you off and fuck with you. Maybe darken up the brown a bit, though.

Peter Pan - oh, the Indians? Well, personally, I never cared for that stupid song, it slows down the pace of the movie, and isn't necessary for the story .. and I have a general distaste for unnecessary/extraneous musical numbers, and mixed feelings towards musicals in general. Otherwise, the only thing to complain about MIGHT be the facial design of the chief, but ... they did look like that. Look at old 1800s photos. They CHOSE to dress like that. And many of them had big, square faces. And as for what they're wearing, I dare any SJW to come up and attend a Pow-Wow, and tell all the participants how they ought to dress ... So their English isn't too good? Maybe they never met white men yet, and only learned it from the KIDS. And it's made clear that they're actually quite peaceful, and they simply play games with the Lost Boys, with full understanding that it's just games. Because Peter Pan wanted genuine Indians to play with.

Jungle Book - ? The hindu chick with the basket on her head? That's what they do. ? It's actually a sensible way for a woman to carry certain heavy things, and I've tried it myself. Has to do with centre of gravity, same as what makes the chair trick work. Oh, and carrying stuff on your head is an old fashioned remedy for bad posture, too.

The Lone Ranger. The original? With an actual Apache playing an Apache scout? Shockhorror. I watched that as a kid. Tonto was awesome. But what got me was the bad guys all wearing masks that covered the bottom half of their faces, and I still don't like that. Maybe there's something else going on besides the "racism", and that's just the cover. What else do these films have in common then?

ionface 10 points ago +10 / -0

Pidgin english was a way for the settlers and cowboys to trade with the various tribes. That "How!" isn't making fun of them, it's what an old-timey indian would learn as a greeting.

The etymology of "red skin" was probably a french translation (peaux rouges) in the early 1700s, and it didn't have a pejorative meaning until around 2005. Just like "black" or "white" isn't considered prejudiced in modern context, but "yellow" is, I'd say it's murkey waters where wording is concerned. Did natives actually have red skin? I'm not sure, but I know I get flushed when I drink. I always thought the Peter Pan indians were all drinking and having a solid pow-wow, didn't they smoke a pipe with children in that movie? That cartoony caricature wasn't seen as problematic until the late nineties in my memory.


Daucus9 9 points ago +9 / -0

I never cared for that stupid song, it slows down the pace of the movie, and isn't necessary for the story

It is. It's during this song that, being a girl, Wendy isn't allowed to have fun and play like the boys are doing and is forced to do chores instead. The Princess is an exception, and nobody misses Wendy as they're partying. Wendy sees Peter Pan having fun without her, playing with Tiger Lily, and it's at this point she realize Neverland sucks and decides it's time to go home.

There was always this disconnect between why Peter took Wendy away from the nursery and why he took her to Neverland.

Why did Peter take her away from the nursery? So Wendy wouldn't have to grow up.

Why did Peter take her to Neverland? So she could be a mother, a type of grown-up.

Her time with Peter is basically him showing her around "look at me, look at me, look at how great I am!" because he wants her to make more stories about him. He's vain as fuck. The Indian celebration is the first chance of Wendy getting to have fun and be a kid....and she has that taken away from her by being kicked out of the party. Wendy can't have fun in Neverland, unless it's making Peter look good. So what's the point in never having to grow up if you aren't allowed to be a kid? Wendy's not a mom. She's a sister. And she and her brothers have a real mother who will miss them very much if they stayed at Neverland. It's very disturbing how the youngest Michael is already starting to forget his real mother. Fantasy is great and all, but it's unhealthy to make it last.

It's time to go home.

Sheesh I analyzed that too hard, Anyway, point is that the song is used as a turning point for Wendy realizing Neverland is not the place for the Darling children and they need to go back home to London to their real family. And how basically Peter Pan is like that dude who is great to have at your party but you do noooot want this guy to be your roommate because he's so shallow and irresponsible.

Knife-TotingRat 5 points ago +5 / -0

Well, they're actually pretty brown; but out in the sun, yeah, they can burn like a white man, so it kinda gives them a reddish tinge, I guess. Had a weird argument with some kid lately about how their school teams in some game/exercise shouldn't use white armbands any more (it involved team spirit cheers) because of the "connotations". I got them to admit that black ones should probably be off the list, too, but when she argued that Natives aren't really "red" and Orientals aren't really "yellow", (I suggested those and brown should also be on the "naughty racist colours" list) she couldn't understand that whites aren't really "white". It was weird to see the mental dissonance happen there.

And yeah, I do believe they smoked a peace pipe. Not only is tobacco itself the devil now, but they smoked stuff that was a lot stronger than any commercial stuff they sell now, strong enough to reportedly cause mild hallucinations. Not to mention that weed was a lot more common than the 20th century generations had come to believe, once trade between the continents started ...... (When I was a kid, I remember reading old-timey books where kids would make a big fat deal over poppy-seed cakes. What I didn't know, after trying a modern one, was that they were talking about real poppy seeds, which had a bit of your opium effect ...) Peter Pan and certain other stories date from before Prohibition and all that brought in the idea that maybe kids shouldn't be allowed things like booze, smokes, and other drugs ... (Hell, when I went to Greece in 1992, they didn't have min. age laws yet, and I saw a 10 year old kid buy a beer from a kiosk.)

StoicVampirePig 10 points ago +10 / -0

Disney should slap itself with an anti-racism warning...John Boyega agrees.

plasmaburnz 9 points ago +10 / -1

Racism is the spice of life. Such a warning is more of a recommendation than an Oscar.

reidj 9 points ago +9 / -0

Here's all the movies mentioned and their reasons (when given):

  • Aliens

  • The Aristocats - The Siamese cats

  • Balls of Fury

  • Dumbo - The crows, particularly Jim Crow

*Gone with the Wind

  • The Goonies

  • The Jazz Singer

  • The Jungle Book - Apparently King Louie perpetuates stereotypes about black people

  • Lady and the Tramp - The Siamese cats, Si and Am

  • The Last Samurai

  • Lawrence of Arabia

  • The Littlest Rebel

  • The Lone Ranger

  • Peter Pan - The Indians, particularly the song "What Makes the Red Man Red?"

  • Swiss Family Robinson

  • Tropic Thunder

MelisandeScott 8 points ago +8 / -0

Apparently King Louie perpetuates stereotypes about black people.

dah fuck? King Louie is based on Italian-American band leader, Louie Prima. You know, THE GUY THAT VOICES THE CHARACTER IN THE MOVIE. He was famous for writing classic jazz songs like "Sing, Sing, Sing (With a Swing)" back in the 1930's and his band were known for doing all sorts of silly antics during their performances in Vegas. That's why the Jungle Book animators chose them to play the monkeys.

But I guess actual history doesn't matter anymore.

Eldourado 8 points ago +9 / -1

Anyone who pays Disney+ is retarded.

christianknight 7 points ago +7 / -0

Warnings now. Censorship later.

UltimateDangler2K 4 points ago +4 / -0

What about Pocahontas and Mulan?

Adamrises 8 points ago +8 / -0

Pocahontas is perfect the way it is. It is chock full of "white man bad" with very little towards the opposite. I doubt it will get as much hate.

christianknight 6 points ago +6 / -0

Im sure they cut out those problematic bits in Allladin and Mulan.