I don't care, fuck society's institutional incentive structures. At some point you do the right thing whether or not you take heat for it.
At some point, you have to have enough moral courage and intestinal fortitude to do what is right regardless of what the potential consequences are from a limited utilitarian analysis. How else are you going to have good times with strong men, if no one's going to step in and be the strong man?
That line isn't necessarily everywhere, but that line needs to be somewhere. It should be somewhere around the public rape and molestation of an 11 25 year old.
Yeah, it does. And you wouldn't see that happen in a rural area. Ever. That's the thing though- it all comes down to where you are. If you're in that city and you see that, and you do something about it, well, it's your arrest and hate crime trial. But if I ever see that in my village, and put a bullet in the guy's brain, I'd be a fucking hero. Though the village I'm in is full of hunters, who would likely beat me to the punch by a long shot.
I don't disagree with you. I'm just saying there is a logical throughline to not.
Logic and heroism are often different paths. In this case, I think there is enough clear and present evidence to send this cretin into his next life, but doing anything less than that will simply make you a criminal AND get him a lighter punishment (this is my biggest concern).
This might be a key point to my perspective. I see heroism as almost entirely defined by: "an individual taking extreme personal responsibility to change or alleviate a dire situation which has been caused by systemic and/or institutional failures."
To me, if you know the system is going to let a rapist continue to rape someone, and you stop them. That is heroic. If you simply stop him before the police get there to stop him, that is just an act of moral goodness.
In my opinion, I see heroism as directly intertwined to an individual's response to a system's actions.
Dude, that's a ridiculous definition of heroism. Stopping a dangerous violent criminal attempting to hurt someone is a heroic act regardless of whether or not the police are on their way.
Heroism isn't a perfect solution though. Running into a burning building to save a child is heroic, but its also likely to get you trapped and need rescuing too.
Some of us wonder why that line of reasoning shouldn't also apply to the President. "Maybe the Federal government doesn't have the ability to intervene under a strict interpretation Federalism if the Governor doesn't request it, and maybe I'll be called a "tyrant" by the people already calling me one; but intervening is the right thing to do."
The state isn't a person though, it is a weapon. It's an extremely dangerous weapon we should always avoid pointing at people. The president is not a person, it is a position within the state to direct and order it's enforcement.
I would rather the people realize how awful communism is, and take the harshest and spiciest red pill in the world, so that they realize that the government can never be trusted to protect them. The government has not fallen. It is alive and well, and it is letting people's livelihoods be destroyed. They must learn that it is their responsibility never to let the government have that kind of power again.
The state is not father, a mother, a brother, a sister, or a friend. Anyone that tells you that wants to enslave you to it. The state is a weapon. Pointing it at yourself is rarely a good decision. Considering it's explosive radius, pointing it anywhere near you is a bad decision.
You are correct that the state is not a parent, sibling or friend. Which is why I also don't think it's the state's responsibility to "let people's livelihoods be destroyed" as an object lesson against communism. The track record of the state trying to "teach the people a lesson" isn't particularly good either.
Which I don't even think is what the Feds are doing. They're intervening when asked. That's not signaling to anyone that the government won't protect them; that's signaling that the government will protect them provided the "right" people are in charge (or the "wrong" people are causing trouble) and ask the right way.
That's really it. I get what Jr. is trying to say, but we live IN A SOCIETY that literally punishes you for trying to be a hero.
So by doing anything, now there are two victims and a strong possibility the actual culprit gets less punishment by your actions.
I don't care, fuck society's institutional incentive structures. At some point you do the right thing whether or not you take heat for it.
At some point, you have to have enough moral courage and intestinal fortitude to do what is right regardless of what the potential consequences are from a limited utilitarian analysis. How else are you going to have good times with strong men, if no one's going to step in and be the strong man?
That line isn't necessarily everywhere, but that line needs to be somewhere. It should be somewhere around the public rape and molestation of an
1125 year old.25-year-old. At 11 (o'clock).
I can't believe I fucked that up.
None the less, I think my point still stands.
Yeah, it does. And you wouldn't see that happen in a rural area. Ever. That's the thing though- it all comes down to where you are. If you're in that city and you see that, and you do something about it, well, it's your arrest and hate crime trial. But if I ever see that in my village, and put a bullet in the guy's brain, I'd be a fucking hero. Though the village I'm in is full of hunters, who would likely beat me to the punch by a long shot.
I don't disagree with you. I'm just saying there is a logical throughline to not.
Logic and heroism are often different paths. In this case, I think there is enough clear and present evidence to send this cretin into his next life, but doing anything less than that will simply make you a criminal AND get him a lighter punishment (this is my biggest concern).
This might be a key point to my perspective. I see heroism as almost entirely defined by: "an individual taking extreme personal responsibility to change or alleviate a dire situation which has been caused by systemic and/or institutional failures."
To me, if you know the system is going to let a rapist continue to rape someone, and you stop them. That is heroic. If you simply stop him before the police get there to stop him, that is just an act of moral goodness.
In my opinion, I see heroism as directly intertwined to an individual's response to a system's actions.
Dude, that's a ridiculous definition of heroism. Stopping a dangerous violent criminal attempting to hurt someone is a heroic act regardless of whether or not the police are on their way.
Heroism isn't a perfect solution though. Running into a burning building to save a child is heroic, but its also likely to get you trapped and need rescuing too.
In this case, these people should have jumped in. There is no horror depraved enough to cast shadow over impurity, nor is there a consequence worth letting this go on.
However, the greater evil is we live in a world where there is actual consequence worth hesitating over. That is the true horror.
Some of us wonder why that line of reasoning shouldn't also apply to the President. "Maybe the Federal government doesn't have the ability to intervene under a strict interpretation Federalism if the Governor doesn't request it, and maybe I'll be called a "tyrant" by the people already calling me one; but intervening is the right thing to do."
The state isn't a person though, it is a weapon. It's an extremely dangerous weapon we should always avoid pointing at people. The president is not a person, it is a position within the state to direct and order it's enforcement.
I would rather the people realize how awful communism is, and take the harshest and spiciest red pill in the world, so that they realize that the government can never be trusted to protect them. The government has not fallen. It is alive and well, and it is letting people's livelihoods be destroyed. They must learn that it is their responsibility never to let the government have that kind of power again.
The state is not father, a mother, a brother, a sister, or a friend. Anyone that tells you that wants to enslave you to it. The state is a weapon. Pointing it at yourself is rarely a good decision. Considering it's explosive radius, pointing it anywhere near you is a bad decision.
You are correct that the state is not a parent, sibling or friend. Which is why I also don't think it's the state's responsibility to "let people's livelihoods be destroyed" as an object lesson against communism. The track record of the state trying to "teach the people a lesson" isn't particularly good either.
Which I don't even think is what the Feds are doing. They're intervening when asked. That's not signaling to anyone that the government won't protect them; that's signaling that the government will protect them provided the "right" people are in charge (or the "wrong" people are causing trouble) and ask the right way.
She's 25, so I guess we can stay on the sidelines.
Thank you for pointing that out.
That being said, that makes it slightly less egregious, but my point still stands.
I think that is what he's trying to say: that Democrat anarcho-tyranny has created this society that punishes you for being a hero.