I'm seriously considering getting it at or near launch (of course I'm willing to wait at least a little bit to hear if it works, is good, etc.) but not if it's going to be obnoxious and woke. I know they were at least talking about "heterosexuality not being the default" or whatever, which definitely isn't a good sign.
What have you guys heard?
That plus the Deus Vult removal snafus are indeed rather worrying signs. However, those were largely the result of presstitutes trying to stir shit up. Reading the dev diaries I didnt notice too many red flags. I think PDX know their customer base(at least what fraction of it always plays Imperium of man in stellaris or Norse reformation in CK2) and are trying to not piss it off. So I'm cautioulsy optimistic. Still, I'm waiting for steam reviews(and/or the first Wrongthink shitstorm) before buying.
Deus Vult is still going to be in the game, praise Jesus. But even so, it would be wise to wait until not only the first reviews but also the first few DLCs come out before getting the game - it's still made by Paradox, after all.
So it was indeed "journalists stirring shit". Good, news! Regarding DLCs, I think Imperator was sort of a good lesson to them about how they shouldn't release a game that's too barebones. The DDs seem promising so far.
Wait for steam reviews, 100%, of course.
Personally I'm not sure whether it was just Rock Paper Shotgun making things up or Paradox initially actually preparing to scrap DV, but reversing course when they saw the torrent of outrage from their fanbase. Either way, definitely a positive development.
I will say that if it's the latter case, that bodes well for Paradox learning from the mistakes it made with Imperator. Which would be another pleasant surprise.
I still have faith left in Paradox. I'm waiting for after launch, but I'm cautiously optimistic.
I'll probably pirate it and if it is ok then I'll buy it. Although my faith in games is at an all time low I do hope to be pleasantly surprised.
When it comes to Paradox games wait until the first DLC. It's probably going to be a broken mess at launch and the first DLC is usually what makes the game playable.
Should be a rule of thumb for all games. When the first DLC is released, most base games tend to be put on sale.
Eh, Paradox games havent been a broken mess on launch for a while now (at least since EU4). At least in terms of bugs and similar issues.
The only issue recent releases have had is that they have been dumbed down or extremely barebones on launch.
Imperator was the worst for both of the above. So dumbed down it and reliant on 'mana' that it was effectively an extremely basic map painter set in the classical/very early roman period and so barebones that it was barely playable for more than a few hours.
Thankfully Paradox seems to have learnt their lesson form that game.
I doubt they will be courting it. But try to put it in without advertising, but maybe they will not. Not buying it at lunch anyway, although it is on my wish list.
Don't do that. Woke or not, its Paradox which means that every major update will overhaul a lot of game features dramatically, and they'll release tons of DLC. Better to wait a bit and see how things shake out down the line.
How come in Stellaris my human empires always end up Matriarchy's? I'll pick male for first ruler, he'll die, daughter takes throne, daughter takes throne daughter takes throne.
Its a Paradox game. If you have to ask, you haven't been paying attention.
Wouldn't be the first company to alienate the people who are actually going to buy their product for crybullies on Twitter, none of whom are actually going to buy the fucking game
The thing I want from CK3 is all of the features of CK2 with all the years of DLC. I want all of same world area. I want to play as all of the religions. I want retinues. I want disease, secret societies, merchant republics, etc... I don't want to but a sequel that has less features than the last game or to be sold the same DLC a second time. That is the big issue for me with CK3 with the woke stuff being the second. I hope its not too bad, but we know how willing they are to put progressive crap into anything.
It looks like they're keeping most of the stuff from CK2. It is almost like it is a reboot of CK2 that is more streamlined because towards the end it was a complicated mess. So I'm kind of curious where they are going to go with DLC.
A little off topic, but are the base games from Paradox any good? I was gifted Stellaris on launch and it was pretty meh. The games seem like DLC platforms that require you to buy a lot of stuff to fill the games out.
Thats... pretty much it. At least in the case of Crusaders Kings 2 and Stellaris (Which is basically a whole new game after all the updates- bad or good depends on your tastes).
Paradox games are one of the best defense of using things like creamapi. Because unless you buy the game at launch and keep up with the DLC as its released, you are expected to just drop huge chunks of money before even knowing if you will want to buy the DLC.
They used to be amazing at start before DLC because what you see is what you get. But the games have gotten so expansive that it seems like now the base game starts out as a testing ground for what players like, hate, and want to see more of.