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From what I can gather the willow isn't cursed. People in the movie use it and they are happy with the wish. So it seems to me the movie isn't suggesting the willow is inherently evil, it's the intention of the wisher thst cause the problems in the movie.
Literally in my comment above. But we could also explore evidence of a curse.
To quote the first clerk when Bear goes to buy the OWW:
...small talk...
Seems like pretty strong "suggestion" (I would call it ham-fisted declaration, which isn't uncommon in the genre) that it's a Monkey's Paw premise we're about to see unfold... which we do. There's actually never any evidence that "People in the movie use it and they are happy with the wish" - we see exactly two people in the movie use the wish, and both end up dead... so I'm not really sure what your basing your assessment on.
Even when Bear goes back to the shop, then next clerk says:
"Yea yea yea yea yea you made a shitty wish, and now you wanna reverse it." <-- like this is a very common thing with that product.
I guess maybe that line from the clerk "Oh I already used my wish" and the fact that he's still alive makes you think it's usually okay? At no point does he say he's happy with his wish though, so I'm really trying to figure out why you say:
Person in the movie says he used it (could be lying as to not get involved with a hysteric stranger covered in blood complaining about his wish) and is possibly happy with the wish (again, undetermined). Everyone else we see use it ends up miserable and/or dead.
And, if it's not cursed, it makes even less sense to shoot the $1B friend guy in the head. The script is way too messy for the praise it got (among other problems), and now I'm pissed that I had to sift/sit through that shitty pacing and dialogue.
Like I said initially, usually the moral of the "be careful what you wish for" story isn't that wishes are inherently cursed, it's that man's desires are often ill-motivated or impure, and our will is imperfect. Therefore when we try to "god" something into existence through our will, the results spiral out of control quickly. But in this case, maybe the thing is cursed. That would give a better explanation for the sort of random bullet to the head for $1B guy.
Billionaire doesn't die because of his own wish. The writer has stated it's not a cursed monkey paw situation, it's to do with the wish being evil and taking away the woman's freewill.
Ian isn't randomly shot dead, Nikki shoots him. The money he wished for had zero to do with his death. There is zero dramatic irony. He wished for money, got money, zero negative outcome from the wish.
And Curry Barker has stated the willows are not inherently evil.
The story is based on The Simpsons version of The Monkeys Paw in which Ned Flanders uses to reverse all the bad wishes. So it isn't the paw that is evil, it's the user.
To quote my original comment again
So now the question is: why did you even suggest that I suggested the wishes were cursed? I only explored that possibility because you brought it up.
But since we're back to the "be careful what you wish for"/Monkey's Paw premise...
WHICH IS THE PROBLEM. The Simpsons/Flanders' thing was comedic effect - the actual Monkey's Paw premise... fuck I've already explained it twice. There's no twist of the greed in his wish being his undoing or anything like that, just "oh yea, and uh... the crazy girl kills him" after he follows Bear home to tell him the wish is real after it was just fucking raining money out of nowhere after making his wish. Why did it take him like an hour to realize that? Why is Sarah's body in there, and where was it in the meantime?
...anyway
So Bear is evil? No. It's the thing I said - the moral of the same story that's been woven a bajillion times going back to Socrates. Man's desires may be pure, but his intellect and will are not. Therefore godlike powers (wishes, in this case) are doomed. Nm; I just realized I'm explaining algebra to a chimp. Only took repeating myself what, 3 times? I'm improving.
Okay