So a human's potential to build, innovate and evolve (as part of their inherent trait for self-awareness) is no more valuable than the inherent potential of chickens or cheetahs?
I disagree with your framing it as an inherent potential. We can see, with huge numbers of data points, that the majority of such potential, if it exists, in squandered by the average human. The average chicken or cheetah is far more likely to live up to its potential than is the average man.
This is why I specifically highlight the difference between a person and a non-person. A person has demonstrated that quality of potential to accomplish something. A non-person has the possibility of potential by dint of their genes and a statistical unlikelihood of ever demonstrating it (if it even exists - a supposedly inherent trait so often not expressed is hard to argue as being inherent).
Please, by your own metrics of inherent potential, explain India or Africa.
You seem to be conjecturing about what some of us think you mean as part of the logical endpoint for your way of thinking, which is more telling about how you actually think about this topic than anything I've actually said in this thread.
I disagree on it being conjecture, and invite you to read some of the other threads in this topic as evidence. Almost everyone, yourself included, has jumped straight from "its not more bad to kill a human than any other animal" to "oh, so you're okay with killing everyone who isn't a person by your standard?", typically within two replies. You're not "asking a question", you're intentionslly ignoring the distinction of the specifically defined difference between "person human" and "non-person human" in this context, and arguing from there.
Show me where I have once said that my position is thus, and I will concede that my arguments were presented poorly and inadequately.
I never said nor assumed what your position was, I only asked you if postnatal abortions are a-okay for people who don't meet your qualifications for "personhood"?
And I say again, define exactly what you mean by "postnatal abortion", in what circumstances, and I will give you a yea or nay. That term has been stretched to cover everything from dashing babies upon rocks to euthanizing malformed offspring to shooting an adult man in the back of the head.
I disagree with your framing it as an inherent potential. We can see, with huge numbers of data points, that the majority of such potential, if it exists, in squandered by the average human. The average chicken or cheetah is far more likely to live up to its potential than is the average man.
This is why I specifically highlight the difference between a person and a non-person. A person has demonstrated that quality of potential to accomplish something. A non-person has the possibility of potential by dint of their genes and a statistical unlikelihood of ever demonstrating it (if it even exists - a supposedly inherent trait so often not expressed is hard to argue as being inherent).
Please, by your own metrics of inherent potential, explain India or Africa.
I disagree on it being conjecture, and invite you to read some of the other threads in this topic as evidence. Almost everyone, yourself included, has jumped straight from "its not more bad to kill a human than any other animal" to "oh, so you're okay with killing everyone who isn't a person by your standard?", typically within two replies. You're not "asking a question", you're intentionslly ignoring the distinction of the specifically defined difference between "person human" and "non-person human" in this context, and arguing from there.
Show me where I have once said that my position is thus, and I will concede that my arguments were presented poorly and inadequately.
I never said nor assumed what your position was, I only asked you if postnatal abortions are a-okay for people who don't meet your qualifications for "personhood"?
And I say again, define exactly what you mean by "postnatal abortion", in what circumstances, and I will give you a yea or nay. That term has been stretched to cover everything from dashing babies upon rocks to euthanizing malformed offspring to shooting an adult man in the back of the head.
So you care about the methods of how people who lack "personhood" are extinguished?
I am getting the impression that we are by this point speaking past each other.