You know the text of Revelation 2:9, but you seem to be missing the point. Modern jews aren't actually "jews" of the Old Testament. The term "jew" comes from Judean, a term for the people who inhabited Judea under Roman occupation. Old Testament "jews" were more accurately pre-Christians, who believed in the coming Messiah, first mentioned in Genesis 3:15. Modern jews are deniers of the Messiah (Christ), and practice Babylonian Saturn/Satan worship via the Talmud (the "whore of Babylon" mentioned elsewhere in Revelation), which inverts and warps all the commandments God laid out in the OT. Modern jews are not Old Testament "jews", which is why they claim to be jews, but aren't (the wording of Rev 2:9), and are the Synagogue of Satan. God cut the veil of the 2nd temple completely in 2, from top to bottom (literally), when Jesus was crucified, signaling that there was no more barrier between man and God, except through Jesus. God also completely destroyed the 2nd temple, via the Romans, in 70 AD, which completely prevents all future jews after that date from properly practicing the old jewish customs, and even furthermore by miscegenating or entirely destroying the 12 tribes of Israel through Assyrian, Babylonian, and Roman conquests. In essence, modern jews are fake jews, who can't properly practice the religion as laid out by God. Don't believe me? Just read the requirements God laid out in the OT. Modern jews, even orthodox religious ones, are breaking numerous rules all the time.
The modern DNA studies that Israel did of modern jews shows this conclusively. Those DNA studies showed that modern jews have almost zero DNA connections to the Middle East. This is why Israel banned DNA testing of Israelis after this came to light. Modern jews have so little ties to the Middle East that the majority of them have allergies to olive tree pollen, which is native to the region they claim is their "ancient homeland".
You know the text of Revelation 2:9, but you seem to be missing the point
Your point is not Jesus' point.
You will never accept correction because you have a hardened heart that refuses to learn.
Part of that phenomena is
Modern jews are deniers of the Messiah
You assume Jews are a monolithic block, nothing else will fit into your thinking, when "3 Jews 4 opinions" is much closer to reality. Jews are far more splintered in their thinking and beliefs than Protestants, and most don't ascribe to what you've said here at all. Yet you can't fathom even this much.
via the Talmud
The overwhelming majority of US jews have no use for the talmud, at all:
the biggest group is atheists (profess to be "of no religion," a very jewy way of saying the same thing) Well over 35% and the fastest growing group
reform. They disavowed the talmud in the 1800s and never looked back. Approaching 35% of all US Jews and the second fastest growing group.
Together this is about 70% of US jews. This proves you completely wrong in your thinking, and apparently this has consumed your whole world view.
conservative. Less than 15%. Even these don't regard what the talmud says nearly as much as you do. They're taught to follow their individual rabbi, who might or might not draw on their own knowledge of the talmud while addressing any specific concern. The individual conservative jew might never know or care if any detail came from the talmud or not, but the portions of it you perseverate over are almost guaranteed to never be taught, read, or even thought about much less mentioned.
orthodox are similar but they're more likely to devote some time to reading select parts of the talmud, at their rabbi's direction. This is the smallest group.
Hasidic are so whack they shouldn't even be called jews. They're trying to make themselves acceptable to the mainstream by positioning themselves as educators (but just of jews, of course) These are dangerous ideologically but usually poor. These are the nutjobs who dug the tunnel in NYC.
Yet you still think jews are a monolithic block, who's focus is on Jesus. jews mostly don't think about Jesus at all. It's easy to say that Christian's biggest problem is not focusing on Jesus enough.
God also completely destroyed the 2nd temple, via the Romans, in 70 AD, which completely prevents all future jews after that date from properly practicing the old jewish customs
Since you've invested so heavily into the talmud, you owe it to yourself to learn that it's about how to be a Jew while there's no Temple. Some 40% of the law of Moses can't be kept without it. jews don't consider it holy like you do, they recognize it's just rabbis arguing and mostly about arcane bits of law that Moses didn't make clear. I'll tell you it's horrible literature that does a terrible job of what it sets out to do, but you don't understand what that is based on what you've said here.
Btw I know this because where I grew up, my junior high was 98% Christian and HS also included another junior high that was 98% jewish. About 2200 kids per grade. Best math teacher mentioned CE the first time I ever heard the term, calling it "common error." Hated his guts for that ever since, learned not to do business with jews in my own business.
You assume Jews are a monolithic block, nothing else will fit into your thinking, when "3 Jews 4 opinions" is much closer to reality. Jews are far more splintered in their thinking and beliefs than Protestants, and most don't ascribe to what you've said here at all. Yet you can't fathom even this much.
False. The very term "jew", by itself, that jews use themselves to describe themselves, is a declaration that they are deniers of Christ. There is no other way to cut that term, except that they still embrace a religion that's now defunct by God, and continued through faith in Jesus. All of the "jews" back during Jesus's day that converted to Christianity no longer called themselves "jews", and their descendants no longer call themselves jews. They called (and still call) themselves Christians. Go reread all of Paul's letters to the early Christian churches, and the book of Acts. They explicitly lay out how awful the Christ denying jews back then were, and that the jews must, if they want to align with their own religion, accept Jesus as their messiah, throw away the old ceremonial Hebraic law, and put their faith in Jesus.
This is why the term "jew" is such a misnomer for modern Christians who've been duped by dispensationalism (judeo-Christianity) pushed by John Nelson Darby, Cyrus Ingerson Scofield, and the Rothschilds who funded them to corrupt Christianity. Jews, who call themselves jews, only call themselves that because they still erroniously think they can practice their "religion", when there's no temple, there's no priestly cast descended from Aaron, and there's numerous other specific rules that God laid out that they're explicitly not following, because again, these people follow the Talmud, not the Old Testament. Modern jews think they're "saved" merely by being jews, which is explicitly what Paul was arguing against in Galatians 3 ("there is neither jew nor Greek..."). We're not saved by our blood lines. We're saved through Jesus, and only through Jesus. In fact, if you read the OT, it's obvious that jews have NEVER been saved purely by being jews, or more accurately, by being descendants of Jacob (renamed to Israel by God). This is also why Jesus made a few parables about trees and seeds, saying that fruitful people (i.e. non jews) would be grafted into the promise God made to Jacob, and cut away, curse, and burn up the unproductive branches (i.e. jews who deny Christ). This is also why John the Baptist said "For I tell you that God is able from these stones to raise up children to Abraham" in Matthew 3:9. John and Jesus were both saying, explicitly, that the descent of jews means nothing to God. And, if you read how thoroughly and how often God punished jews in the OT for being awful, you'd understand that God's promises aren't unconditional, and they never have been.
The overwhelming majority of US jews have no use for the talmud, at all:
Really? Then why do the vast majority align with the perversions and anti-jewish rhetoric in the Talmud? Why do jews, when their fellow jews are caught doing some of the abhorrent things espoused in the Talmud, do all the other jews cover for and defend them? Why are jews so disproportionately involved in all of the aspects of evil, degeneracy, lies, and corruption within the world? Do you truly need me to name all of them? Just a list of the surface level topics themselves would be a long paragraph, not involving the histories, and just going off of what I remember.
Since you've invested so heavily into the talmud, you owe it to yourself to learn that it's about how to be a Jew while there's no Temple.
LOL. Just LOL. This is repugnantly false. There's a saying: "what the Torah forbids, the Talmud permits". The Talmud uses jewish legalese to try to word game and twist Gods clear instructions and commandments, often to "interpret" Biblical passages into meaning the complete antithesis of what God meant. Why do you think Jesus was butting heads with the Pharisees and scribes back in the day? They were committing the very same sins that inevitably resulted in the Talmud (to a more severe degree), that they were following the letter of the law, while intentionally ignoring the spirit of the law, which is what Jesus was often trying to teach them about.
I can't believe any God fearing Christian could call themselves such and actually defend the vile filth in the Talmud. It condones sex with kids. It condones and advocates treating non-jews as literal cattle. It condones and advocates wickedness and evil. It condones and advocates practices that try to trick God, like passing their sins onto chickens and then butchering them (a warping of the purpose of the animal sacrifices in the 1st temple), or for putting a wire around their neighborhoods to call it a "home", so they're allowed to do work on the Sabbath, or for ignoring the very purpose of the Sabbath ("Sabbath was made for man, not man for Sabbath").
By the way, when perusing TheDonald about info on the Iran war, I saw your name pop up, and you explicitly defend Israel, and straw man attack anyone who disagrees with the war. Oh, and you post either like a terminally online teenage girl, or someone paid to do it. You're a jewish shill. You think you blend in, but you don't. You glow brighter than the sun.
The very term "jew", by itself, that jews use themselves to describe themselves, is a declaration that they are deniers of Christ.
It's not. Neither did Jesus use it in the narrow geographic sense you do. It's pretty simple really, but you pervert it. Why?
What was Jesus's point, then?
At least you ask a reasonable question. The answer is in the entire second and third chapters of the book of Revelation, not in perverting His words "not Jews" into "he really meant jews."
All of the "jews" back during Jesus's day that converted to Christianity no longer called themselves "jews"
You reveal the source of your error, and this is easy for you to find simply by reading the Bible. They in fact were still Jews. Jews today won't accept Christ if they think they'll stop being Jews, which they won't. This is so incredibly simple, but you'll never get it if you can't just read what it says.
Go reread all of Paul's letters to the early Christian churches, and the book of Acts.
Yet you skip Paul referring to himself as a Jew. That's pretty jewy behavior of you.
We're saved through Jesus, and only through Jesus.
Simple. So are Jews. Just like anybody else.
defend the vile filth in the Talmud
I never did that. Why do you have to lie?
and you explicitly defend Israel,
No you didn't. All you can do is lie. Seek professional help.
It's not. Neither did Jesus use it in the narrow geographic sense you do. It's pretty simple really, but you pervert it. Why?
I'm not the one perverting it. Modern jews are perverting it, by trying to tie themselves into the ancient Israelites, who were, in fact, pre-Christians. Modern jews, merely by identifying as such, are all Christ deniers.
At least you ask a reasonable question. The answer is in the entire second and third chapters of the book of Revelation, not in perverting His words "not Jews" into "he really meant jews."
I've read Revelations, and just reread books 2 and 3. Nowhere in books 2 and 3 does it answer this question. The only times jews are directly mentioned in books 2 and 3, is in 2:9 and 3:9, which proves the point I made, not yours. Again, make your point, and be specific. Stop falling back to "but books 2 and 3 prove my point", and then don't specify.
You reveal the source of your error, and this is easy for you to find simply by reading the Bible. They in fact were still Jews.
Perhaps they still thought of themselves as jews genealogically, but as newly converted Christians, they would've understood that lineage no longer held any power or meaning, and would've completely abandoned its use. The New Testament is rife, in almost every single book, talking about how jewish lineage means nothing to God, and that the new covenant is through Jesus.
Yet you skip Paul referring to himself as a Jew. That's pretty jewy behavior of you.
Addressed above, and doesn't prove your point. Paul got so pissed off at his fellow jews he essentially told them "curse you, I'm going to go preach and evangelize the non-jews", which is what the book of Acts points out. Also, LOL at your attempt at trying to invert and claim your opponent is what you're doing (which is classic jewish behavior).
Simple. So are Jews. Just like anybody else.
Way to go, to deflect and miss the point entirely. You're picking and choosing what to reply to, because you know you can't refute what I said. Thus, you try to derail into meaningless conversations and side arguments that have no bearing upon the larger issue.
I never did that. Why do you have to lie?
Yes, you did. The quote is directly above, you two faced forked tongued liar.
Since you've invested so heavily into the talmud, you owe it to yourself to learn that it's about how to be a Jew while there's no Temple. Some 40% of the law of Moses can't be kept without it. jews don't consider it holy like you do, they recognize it's just rabbis arguing and mostly about arcane bits of law that Moses didn't make clear. I'll tell you it's horrible literature that does a terrible job of what it sets out to do, but you don't understand what that is based on what you've said here.
You tried to downplay the complete inversions of scripture in the Talmud, the horrific things it condones and advocates, by painting it as "it's about how to be a jew while there's no temple". You are trying to play off as being smart, while also ignoring the greater horrors contained within the Talmud, suggesting it's innocuous, and not wholly evil. Again, you're a subversive and a liar.
No you didn't. All you can do is lie. Seek professional help.
??? This reply doesn't follow from what you quoted. Did you mean "No I didn't"? If that's the case, all that needs to be said, is that your profile is free to peruse for anyone here, who can see how you reply to ANYONE critical of Israel and jews, here and elsewhere. You lie, attack the commenter, deflect, don't address key issues brought up, and use logical fallacies. Oh, and by your debate """prowess""" displayed, you display several other aspects of jewish behavior, like trying to accuse your enemy of what you're guilty of.
Again, you glow brighter than the sun. It's obvious who you are. Try to gaslight someone else. It won't work on me.
You know the text of Revelation 2:9, but you seem to be missing the point. Modern jews aren't actually "jews" of the Old Testament. The term "jew" comes from Judean, a term for the people who inhabited Judea under Roman occupation. Old Testament "jews" were more accurately pre-Christians, who believed in the coming Messiah, first mentioned in Genesis 3:15. Modern jews are deniers of the Messiah (Christ), and practice Babylonian Saturn/Satan worship via the Talmud (the "whore of Babylon" mentioned elsewhere in Revelation), which inverts and warps all the commandments God laid out in the OT. Modern jews are not Old Testament "jews", which is why they claim to be jews, but aren't (the wording of Rev 2:9), and are the Synagogue of Satan. God cut the veil of the 2nd temple completely in 2, from top to bottom (literally), when Jesus was crucified, signaling that there was no more barrier between man and God, except through Jesus. God also completely destroyed the 2nd temple, via the Romans, in 70 AD, which completely prevents all future jews after that date from properly practicing the old jewish customs, and even furthermore by miscegenating or entirely destroying the 12 tribes of Israel through Assyrian, Babylonian, and Roman conquests. In essence, modern jews are fake jews, who can't properly practice the religion as laid out by God. Don't believe me? Just read the requirements God laid out in the OT. Modern jews, even orthodox religious ones, are breaking numerous rules all the time.
The modern DNA studies that Israel did of modern jews shows this conclusively. Those DNA studies showed that modern jews have almost zero DNA connections to the Middle East. This is why Israel banned DNA testing of Israelis after this came to light. Modern jews have so little ties to the Middle East that the majority of them have allergies to olive tree pollen, which is native to the region they claim is their "ancient homeland".
Your point is not Jesus' point.
You will never accept correction because you have a hardened heart that refuses to learn.
Part of that phenomena is
You assume Jews are a monolithic block, nothing else will fit into your thinking, when "3 Jews 4 opinions" is much closer to reality. Jews are far more splintered in their thinking and beliefs than Protestants, and most don't ascribe to what you've said here at all. Yet you can't fathom even this much.
The overwhelming majority of US jews have no use for the talmud, at all:
the biggest group is atheists (profess to be "of no religion," a very jewy way of saying the same thing) Well over 35% and the fastest growing group
reform. They disavowed the talmud in the 1800s and never looked back. Approaching 35% of all US Jews and the second fastest growing group.
Together this is about 70% of US jews. This proves you completely wrong in your thinking, and apparently this has consumed your whole world view.
conservative. Less than 15%. Even these don't regard what the talmud says nearly as much as you do. They're taught to follow their individual rabbi, who might or might not draw on their own knowledge of the talmud while addressing any specific concern. The individual conservative jew might never know or care if any detail came from the talmud or not, but the portions of it you perseverate over are almost guaranteed to never be taught, read, or even thought about much less mentioned.
orthodox are similar but they're more likely to devote some time to reading select parts of the talmud, at their rabbi's direction. This is the smallest group.
Hasidic are so whack they shouldn't even be called jews. They're trying to make themselves acceptable to the mainstream by positioning themselves as educators (but just of jews, of course) These are dangerous ideologically but usually poor. These are the nutjobs who dug the tunnel in NYC.
Yet you still think jews are a monolithic block, who's focus is on Jesus. jews mostly don't think about Jesus at all. It's easy to say that Christian's biggest problem is not focusing on Jesus enough.
Since you've invested so heavily into the talmud, you owe it to yourself to learn that it's about how to be a Jew while there's no Temple. Some 40% of the law of Moses can't be kept without it. jews don't consider it holy like you do, they recognize it's just rabbis arguing and mostly about arcane bits of law that Moses didn't make clear. I'll tell you it's horrible literature that does a terrible job of what it sets out to do, but you don't understand what that is based on what you've said here.
Btw I know this because where I grew up, my junior high was 98% Christian and HS also included another junior high that was 98% jewish. About 2200 kids per grade. Best math teacher mentioned CE the first time I ever heard the term, calling it "common error." Hated his guts for that ever since, learned not to do business with jews in my own business.
kill them all
sort them later
This is consistent with your thinking, that every jew everywhere is trying to kill us.
LOL why do you think so highly of these goblins?
I am over 500 years old and i'm still looking for a jew who does honest manual labor. LOL
What was Jesus's point, then?
False. The very term "jew", by itself, that jews use themselves to describe themselves, is a declaration that they are deniers of Christ. There is no other way to cut that term, except that they still embrace a religion that's now defunct by God, and continued through faith in Jesus. All of the "jews" back during Jesus's day that converted to Christianity no longer called themselves "jews", and their descendants no longer call themselves jews. They called (and still call) themselves Christians. Go reread all of Paul's letters to the early Christian churches, and the book of Acts. They explicitly lay out how awful the Christ denying jews back then were, and that the jews must, if they want to align with their own religion, accept Jesus as their messiah, throw away the old ceremonial Hebraic law, and put their faith in Jesus.
This is why the term "jew" is such a misnomer for modern Christians who've been duped by dispensationalism (judeo-Christianity) pushed by John Nelson Darby, Cyrus Ingerson Scofield, and the Rothschilds who funded them to corrupt Christianity. Jews, who call themselves jews, only call themselves that because they still erroniously think they can practice their "religion", when there's no temple, there's no priestly cast descended from Aaron, and there's numerous other specific rules that God laid out that they're explicitly not following, because again, these people follow the Talmud, not the Old Testament. Modern jews think they're "saved" merely by being jews, which is explicitly what Paul was arguing against in Galatians 3 ("there is neither jew nor Greek..."). We're not saved by our blood lines. We're saved through Jesus, and only through Jesus. In fact, if you read the OT, it's obvious that jews have NEVER been saved purely by being jews, or more accurately, by being descendants of Jacob (renamed to Israel by God). This is also why Jesus made a few parables about trees and seeds, saying that fruitful people (i.e. non jews) would be grafted into the promise God made to Jacob, and cut away, curse, and burn up the unproductive branches (i.e. jews who deny Christ). This is also why John the Baptist said "For I tell you that God is able from these stones to raise up children to Abraham" in Matthew 3:9. John and Jesus were both saying, explicitly, that the descent of jews means nothing to God. And, if you read how thoroughly and how often God punished jews in the OT for being awful, you'd understand that God's promises aren't unconditional, and they never have been.
Really? Then why do the vast majority align with the perversions and anti-jewish rhetoric in the Talmud? Why do jews, when their fellow jews are caught doing some of the abhorrent things espoused in the Talmud, do all the other jews cover for and defend them? Why are jews so disproportionately involved in all of the aspects of evil, degeneracy, lies, and corruption within the world? Do you truly need me to name all of them? Just a list of the surface level topics themselves would be a long paragraph, not involving the histories, and just going off of what I remember.
LOL. Just LOL. This is repugnantly false. There's a saying: "what the Torah forbids, the Talmud permits". The Talmud uses jewish legalese to try to word game and twist Gods clear instructions and commandments, often to "interpret" Biblical passages into meaning the complete antithesis of what God meant. Why do you think Jesus was butting heads with the Pharisees and scribes back in the day? They were committing the very same sins that inevitably resulted in the Talmud (to a more severe degree), that they were following the letter of the law, while intentionally ignoring the spirit of the law, which is what Jesus was often trying to teach them about.
I can't believe any God fearing Christian could call themselves such and actually defend the vile filth in the Talmud. It condones sex with kids. It condones and advocates treating non-jews as literal cattle. It condones and advocates wickedness and evil. It condones and advocates practices that try to trick God, like passing their sins onto chickens and then butchering them (a warping of the purpose of the animal sacrifices in the 1st temple), or for putting a wire around their neighborhoods to call it a "home", so they're allowed to do work on the Sabbath, or for ignoring the very purpose of the Sabbath ("Sabbath was made for man, not man for Sabbath").
By the way, when perusing TheDonald about info on the Iran war, I saw your name pop up, and you explicitly defend Israel, and straw man attack anyone who disagrees with the war. Oh, and you post either like a terminally online teenage girl, or someone paid to do it. You're a jewish shill. You think you blend in, but you don't. You glow brighter than the sun.
This is what I said:
"it's horrible literature that does a terrible job of what it sets out to do,"
That's not "defending it." Please read more carefully.
It's not. Neither did Jesus use it in the narrow geographic sense you do. It's pretty simple really, but you pervert it. Why?
At least you ask a reasonable question. The answer is in the entire second and third chapters of the book of Revelation, not in perverting His words "not Jews" into "he really meant jews."
You reveal the source of your error, and this is easy for you to find simply by reading the Bible. They in fact were still Jews. Jews today won't accept Christ if they think they'll stop being Jews, which they won't. This is so incredibly simple, but you'll never get it if you can't just read what it says.
Yet you skip Paul referring to himself as a Jew. That's pretty jewy behavior of you.
Simple. So are Jews. Just like anybody else.
I never did that. Why do you have to lie?
No you didn't. All you can do is lie. Seek professional help.
I'm not the one perverting it. Modern jews are perverting it, by trying to tie themselves into the ancient Israelites, who were, in fact, pre-Christians. Modern jews, merely by identifying as such, are all Christ deniers.
I've read Revelations, and just reread books 2 and 3. Nowhere in books 2 and 3 does it answer this question. The only times jews are directly mentioned in books 2 and 3, is in 2:9 and 3:9, which proves the point I made, not yours. Again, make your point, and be specific. Stop falling back to "but books 2 and 3 prove my point", and then don't specify.
Perhaps they still thought of themselves as jews genealogically, but as newly converted Christians, they would've understood that lineage no longer held any power or meaning, and would've completely abandoned its use. The New Testament is rife, in almost every single book, talking about how jewish lineage means nothing to God, and that the new covenant is through Jesus.
Addressed above, and doesn't prove your point. Paul got so pissed off at his fellow jews he essentially told them "curse you, I'm going to go preach and evangelize the non-jews", which is what the book of Acts points out. Also, LOL at your attempt at trying to invert and claim your opponent is what you're doing (which is classic jewish behavior).
Way to go, to deflect and miss the point entirely. You're picking and choosing what to reply to, because you know you can't refute what I said. Thus, you try to derail into meaningless conversations and side arguments that have no bearing upon the larger issue.
Yes, you did. The quote is directly above, you two faced forked tongued liar.
You tried to downplay the complete inversions of scripture in the Talmud, the horrific things it condones and advocates, by painting it as "it's about how to be a jew while there's no temple". You are trying to play off as being smart, while also ignoring the greater horrors contained within the Talmud, suggesting it's innocuous, and not wholly evil. Again, you're a subversive and a liar.
??? This reply doesn't follow from what you quoted. Did you mean "No I didn't"? If that's the case, all that needs to be said, is that your profile is free to peruse for anyone here, who can see how you reply to ANYONE critical of Israel and jews, here and elsewhere. You lie, attack the commenter, deflect, don't address key issues brought up, and use logical fallacies. Oh, and by your debate """prowess""" displayed, you display several other aspects of jewish behavior, like trying to accuse your enemy of what you're guilty of.
Again, you glow brighter than the sun. It's obvious who you are. Try to gaslight someone else. It won't work on me.