You assume Jews are a monolithic block, nothing else will fit into your thinking, when "3 Jews 4 opinions" is much closer to reality. Jews are far more splintered in their thinking and beliefs than Protestants, and most don't ascribe to what you've said here at all. Yet you can't fathom even this much.
False. The very term "jew", by itself, that jews use themselves to describe themselves, is a declaration that they are deniers of Christ. There is no other way to cut that term, except that they still embrace a religion that's now defunct by God, and continued through faith in Jesus. All of the "jews" back during Jesus's day that converted to Christianity no longer called themselves "jews", and their descendants no longer call themselves jews. They called (and still call) themselves Christians. Go reread all of Paul's letters to the early Christian churches, and the book of Acts. They explicitly lay out how awful the Christ denying jews back then were, and that the jews must, if they want to align with their own religion, accept Jesus as their messiah, throw away the old ceremonial Hebraic law, and put their faith in Jesus.
This is why the term "jew" is such a misnomer for modern Christians who've been duped by dispensationalism (judeo-Christianity) pushed by John Nelson Darby, Cyrus Ingerson Scofield, and the Rothschilds who funded them to corrupt Christianity. Jews, who call themselves jews, only call themselves that because they still erroniously think they can practice their "religion", when there's no temple, there's no priestly cast descended from Aaron, and there's numerous other specific rules that God laid out that they're explicitly not following, because again, these people follow the Talmud, not the Old Testament. Modern jews think they're "saved" merely by being jews, which is explicitly what Paul was arguing against in Galatians 3 ("there is neither jew nor Greek..."). We're not saved by our blood lines. We're saved through Jesus, and only through Jesus. In fact, if you read the OT, it's obvious that jews have NEVER been saved purely by being jews, or more accurately, by being descendants of Jacob (renamed to Israel by God). This is also why Jesus made a few parables about trees and seeds, saying that fruitful people (i.e. non jews) would be grafted into the promise God made to Jacob, and cut away, curse, and burn up the unproductive branches (i.e. jews who deny Christ). This is also why John the Baptist said "For I tell you that God is able from these stones to raise up children to Abraham" in Matthew 3:9. John and Jesus were both saying, explicitly, that the descent of jews means nothing to God. And, if you read how thoroughly and how often God punished jews in the OT for being awful, you'd understand that God's promises aren't unconditional, and they never have been.
The overwhelming majority of US jews have no use for the talmud, at all:
Really? Then why do the vast majority align with the perversions and anti-jewish rhetoric in the Talmud? Why do jews, when their fellow jews are caught doing some of the abhorrent things espoused in the Talmud, do all the other jews cover for and defend them? Why are jews so disproportionately involved in all of the aspects of evil, degeneracy, lies, and corruption within the world? Do you truly need me to name all of them? Just a list of the surface level topics themselves would be a long paragraph, not involving the histories, and just going off of what I remember.
Since you've invested so heavily into the talmud, you owe it to yourself to learn that it's about how to be a Jew while there's no Temple.
LOL. Just LOL. This is repugnantly false. There's a saying: "what the Torah forbids, the Talmud permits". The Talmud uses jewish legalese to try to word game and twist Gods clear instructions and commandments, often to "interpret" Biblical passages into meaning the complete antithesis of what God meant. Why do you think Jesus was butting heads with the Pharisees and scribes back in the day? They were committing the very same sins that inevitably resulted in the Talmud (to a more severe degree), that they were following the letter of the law, while intentionally ignoring the spirit of the law, which is what Jesus was often trying to teach them about.
I can't believe any God fearing Christian could call themselves such and actually defend the vile filth in the Talmud. It condones sex with kids. It condones and advocates treating non-jews as literal cattle. It condones and advocates wickedness and evil. It condones and advocates practices that try to trick God, like passing their sins onto chickens and then butchering them (a warping of the purpose of the animal sacrifices in the 1st temple), or for putting a wire around their neighborhoods to call it a "home", so they're allowed to do work on the Sabbath, or for ignoring the very purpose of the Sabbath ("Sabbath was made for man, not man for Sabbath").
By the way, when perusing TheDonald about info on the Iran war, I saw your name pop up, and you explicitly defend Israel, and straw man attack anyone who disagrees with the war. Oh, and you post either like a terminally online teenage girl, or someone paid to do it. You're a jewish shill. You think you blend in, but you don't. You glow brighter than the sun.
The very term "jew", by itself, that jews use themselves to describe themselves, is a declaration that they are deniers of Christ.
It's not. Neither did Jesus use it in the narrow geographic sense you do. It's pretty simple really, but you pervert it. Why?
What was Jesus's point, then?
At least you ask a reasonable question. The answer is in the entire second and third chapters of the book of Revelation, not in perverting His words "not Jews" into "he really meant jews."
All of the "jews" back during Jesus's day that converted to Christianity no longer called themselves "jews"
You reveal the source of your error, and this is easy for you to find simply by reading the Bible. They in fact were still Jews. Jews today won't accept Christ if they think they'll stop being Jews, which they won't. This is so incredibly simple, but you'll never get it if you can't just read what it says.
Go reread all of Paul's letters to the early Christian churches, and the book of Acts.
Yet you skip Paul referring to himself as a Jew. That's pretty jewy behavior of you.
We're saved through Jesus, and only through Jesus.
Simple. So are Jews. Just like anybody else.
defend the vile filth in the Talmud
I never did that. Why do you have to lie?
and you explicitly defend Israel,
No you didn't. All you can do is lie. Seek professional help.
It's not. Neither did Jesus use it in the narrow geographic sense you do. It's pretty simple really, but you pervert it. Why?
I'm not the one perverting it. Modern jews are perverting it, by trying to tie themselves into the ancient Israelites, who were, in fact, pre-Christians. Modern jews, merely by identifying as such, are all Christ deniers.
At least you ask a reasonable question. The answer is in the entire second and third chapters of the book of Revelation, not in perverting His words "not Jews" into "he really meant jews."
I've read Revelations, and just reread books 2 and 3. Nowhere in books 2 and 3 does it answer this question. The only times jews are directly mentioned in books 2 and 3, is in 2:9 and 3:9, which proves the point I made, not yours. Again, make your point, and be specific. Stop falling back to "but books 2 and 3 prove my point", and then don't specify.
You reveal the source of your error, and this is easy for you to find simply by reading the Bible. They in fact were still Jews.
Perhaps they still thought of themselves as jews genealogically, but as newly converted Christians, they would've understood that lineage no longer held any power or meaning, and would've completely abandoned its use. The New Testament is rife, in almost every single book, talking about how jewish lineage means nothing to God, and that the new covenant is through Jesus.
Yet you skip Paul referring to himself as a Jew. That's pretty jewy behavior of you.
Addressed above, and doesn't prove your point. Paul got so pissed off at his fellow jews he essentially told them "curse you, I'm going to go preach and evangelize the non-jews", which is what the book of Acts points out. Also, LOL at your attempt at trying to invert and claim your opponent is what you're doing (which is classic jewish behavior).
Simple. So are Jews. Just like anybody else.
Way to go, to deflect and miss the point entirely. You're picking and choosing what to reply to, because you know you can't refute what I said. Thus, you try to derail into meaningless conversations and side arguments that have no bearing upon the larger issue.
I never did that. Why do you have to lie?
Yes, you did. The quote is directly above, you two faced forked tongued liar.
Since you've invested so heavily into the talmud, you owe it to yourself to learn that it's about how to be a Jew while there's no Temple. Some 40% of the law of Moses can't be kept without it. jews don't consider it holy like you do, they recognize it's just rabbis arguing and mostly about arcane bits of law that Moses didn't make clear. I'll tell you it's horrible literature that does a terrible job of what it sets out to do, but you don't understand what that is based on what you've said here.
You tried to downplay the complete inversions of scripture in the Talmud, the horrific things it condones and advocates, by painting it as "it's about how to be a jew while there's no temple". You are trying to play off as being smart, while also ignoring the greater horrors contained within the Talmud, suggesting it's innocuous, and not wholly evil. Again, you're a subversive and a liar.
No you didn't. All you can do is lie. Seek professional help.
??? This reply doesn't follow from what you quoted. Did you mean "No I didn't"? If that's the case, all that needs to be said, is that your profile is free to peruse for anyone here, who can see how you reply to ANYONE critical of Israel and jews, here and elsewhere. You lie, attack the commenter, deflect, don't address key issues brought up, and use logical fallacies. Oh, and by your debate """prowess""" displayed, you display several other aspects of jewish behavior, like trying to accuse your enemy of what you're guilty of.
Again, you glow brighter than the sun. It's obvious who you are. Try to gaslight someone else. It won't work on me.
You're obviously not familiar with the Bible, at all.
Yes, I am. I'm doing a comprehensive first read through with a lot of research and connecting dots within scripture. I started with the New Testament, finished that last year, and am doing the Septuagint right now. I'm quite familiar with a lot of the Reddit atheist arguments and the judeo-Christian false interpretations and heresies.
Also, what exactly am I getting wrong? Be specific. Make your arguments.
It's nice that you form opinions based on ignorance though.
Everything I've thus far said is based on simple logic, very clear scripture, and historic church doctrine (up until the Rothschilds corrupted it through Darbey, Scofield, and dispensationalism).
Also, I've seen you on TheDonald blatantly shilling for Israel, the Iran war, jews, and making the exact same useless "arguments" like what you just did, against anyone who disagrees. You're really, really bad at this.
Get better and improve. Learn. Challenge your own beliefs. Self reflect. If your beliefs are so correct, and you're so sure of them, then they should be able to withstand scrutiny and earnest reflection. But this kind of comment, without any evidence or logic based arguments, is pure logical fallacy. It's comfort blanket you wrap around yourself to try to convince yourself you've "won" the argument, and you do this extremely frequently. You add nothing to the conversation.
What was Jesus's point, then?
False. The very term "jew", by itself, that jews use themselves to describe themselves, is a declaration that they are deniers of Christ. There is no other way to cut that term, except that they still embrace a religion that's now defunct by God, and continued through faith in Jesus. All of the "jews" back during Jesus's day that converted to Christianity no longer called themselves "jews", and their descendants no longer call themselves jews. They called (and still call) themselves Christians. Go reread all of Paul's letters to the early Christian churches, and the book of Acts. They explicitly lay out how awful the Christ denying jews back then were, and that the jews must, if they want to align with their own religion, accept Jesus as their messiah, throw away the old ceremonial Hebraic law, and put their faith in Jesus.
This is why the term "jew" is such a misnomer for modern Christians who've been duped by dispensationalism (judeo-Christianity) pushed by John Nelson Darby, Cyrus Ingerson Scofield, and the Rothschilds who funded them to corrupt Christianity. Jews, who call themselves jews, only call themselves that because they still erroniously think they can practice their "religion", when there's no temple, there's no priestly cast descended from Aaron, and there's numerous other specific rules that God laid out that they're explicitly not following, because again, these people follow the Talmud, not the Old Testament. Modern jews think they're "saved" merely by being jews, which is explicitly what Paul was arguing against in Galatians 3 ("there is neither jew nor Greek..."). We're not saved by our blood lines. We're saved through Jesus, and only through Jesus. In fact, if you read the OT, it's obvious that jews have NEVER been saved purely by being jews, or more accurately, by being descendants of Jacob (renamed to Israel by God). This is also why Jesus made a few parables about trees and seeds, saying that fruitful people (i.e. non jews) would be grafted into the promise God made to Jacob, and cut away, curse, and burn up the unproductive branches (i.e. jews who deny Christ). This is also why John the Baptist said "For I tell you that God is able from these stones to raise up children to Abraham" in Matthew 3:9. John and Jesus were both saying, explicitly, that the descent of jews means nothing to God. And, if you read how thoroughly and how often God punished jews in the OT for being awful, you'd understand that God's promises aren't unconditional, and they never have been.
Really? Then why do the vast majority align with the perversions and anti-jewish rhetoric in the Talmud? Why do jews, when their fellow jews are caught doing some of the abhorrent things espoused in the Talmud, do all the other jews cover for and defend them? Why are jews so disproportionately involved in all of the aspects of evil, degeneracy, lies, and corruption within the world? Do you truly need me to name all of them? Just a list of the surface level topics themselves would be a long paragraph, not involving the histories, and just going off of what I remember.
LOL. Just LOL. This is repugnantly false. There's a saying: "what the Torah forbids, the Talmud permits". The Talmud uses jewish legalese to try to word game and twist Gods clear instructions and commandments, often to "interpret" Biblical passages into meaning the complete antithesis of what God meant. Why do you think Jesus was butting heads with the Pharisees and scribes back in the day? They were committing the very same sins that inevitably resulted in the Talmud (to a more severe degree), that they were following the letter of the law, while intentionally ignoring the spirit of the law, which is what Jesus was often trying to teach them about.
I can't believe any God fearing Christian could call themselves such and actually defend the vile filth in the Talmud. It condones sex with kids. It condones and advocates treating non-jews as literal cattle. It condones and advocates wickedness and evil. It condones and advocates practices that try to trick God, like passing their sins onto chickens and then butchering them (a warping of the purpose of the animal sacrifices in the 1st temple), or for putting a wire around their neighborhoods to call it a "home", so they're allowed to do work on the Sabbath, or for ignoring the very purpose of the Sabbath ("Sabbath was made for man, not man for Sabbath").
By the way, when perusing TheDonald about info on the Iran war, I saw your name pop up, and you explicitly defend Israel, and straw man attack anyone who disagrees with the war. Oh, and you post either like a terminally online teenage girl, or someone paid to do it. You're a jewish shill. You think you blend in, but you don't. You glow brighter than the sun.
This is what I said:
"it's horrible literature that does a terrible job of what it sets out to do,"
That's not "defending it." Please read more carefully.
It's not. Neither did Jesus use it in the narrow geographic sense you do. It's pretty simple really, but you pervert it. Why?
At least you ask a reasonable question. The answer is in the entire second and third chapters of the book of Revelation, not in perverting His words "not Jews" into "he really meant jews."
You reveal the source of your error, and this is easy for you to find simply by reading the Bible. They in fact were still Jews. Jews today won't accept Christ if they think they'll stop being Jews, which they won't. This is so incredibly simple, but you'll never get it if you can't just read what it says.
Yet you skip Paul referring to himself as a Jew. That's pretty jewy behavior of you.
Simple. So are Jews. Just like anybody else.
I never did that. Why do you have to lie?
No you didn't. All you can do is lie. Seek professional help.
I'm not the one perverting it. Modern jews are perverting it, by trying to tie themselves into the ancient Israelites, who were, in fact, pre-Christians. Modern jews, merely by identifying as such, are all Christ deniers.
I've read Revelations, and just reread books 2 and 3. Nowhere in books 2 and 3 does it answer this question. The only times jews are directly mentioned in books 2 and 3, is in 2:9 and 3:9, which proves the point I made, not yours. Again, make your point, and be specific. Stop falling back to "but books 2 and 3 prove my point", and then don't specify.
Perhaps they still thought of themselves as jews genealogically, but as newly converted Christians, they would've understood that lineage no longer held any power or meaning, and would've completely abandoned its use. The New Testament is rife, in almost every single book, talking about how jewish lineage means nothing to God, and that the new covenant is through Jesus.
Addressed above, and doesn't prove your point. Paul got so pissed off at his fellow jews he essentially told them "curse you, I'm going to go preach and evangelize the non-jews", which is what the book of Acts points out. Also, LOL at your attempt at trying to invert and claim your opponent is what you're doing (which is classic jewish behavior).
Way to go, to deflect and miss the point entirely. You're picking and choosing what to reply to, because you know you can't refute what I said. Thus, you try to derail into meaningless conversations and side arguments that have no bearing upon the larger issue.
Yes, you did. The quote is directly above, you two faced forked tongued liar.
You tried to downplay the complete inversions of scripture in the Talmud, the horrific things it condones and advocates, by painting it as "it's about how to be a jew while there's no temple". You are trying to play off as being smart, while also ignoring the greater horrors contained within the Talmud, suggesting it's innocuous, and not wholly evil. Again, you're a subversive and a liar.
??? This reply doesn't follow from what you quoted. Did you mean "No I didn't"? If that's the case, all that needs to be said, is that your profile is free to peruse for anyone here, who can see how you reply to ANYONE critical of Israel and jews, here and elsewhere. You lie, attack the commenter, deflect, don't address key issues brought up, and use logical fallacies. Oh, and by your debate """prowess""" displayed, you display several other aspects of jewish behavior, like trying to accuse your enemy of what you're guilty of.
Again, you glow brighter than the sun. It's obvious who you are. Try to gaslight someone else. It won't work on me.
You're obviously not familiar with the Bible, at all. It's nice that you form opinions based on ignorance though.
Yes, I am. I'm doing a comprehensive first read through with a lot of research and connecting dots within scripture. I started with the New Testament, finished that last year, and am doing the Septuagint right now. I'm quite familiar with a lot of the Reddit atheist arguments and the judeo-Christian false interpretations and heresies.
Also, what exactly am I getting wrong? Be specific. Make your arguments.
Everything I've thus far said is based on simple logic, very clear scripture, and historic church doctrine (up until the Rothschilds corrupted it through Darbey, Scofield, and dispensationalism).
Also, I've seen you on TheDonald blatantly shilling for Israel, the Iran war, jews, and making the exact same useless "arguments" like what you just did, against anyone who disagrees. You're really, really bad at this.
Get better and improve. Learn. Challenge your own beliefs. Self reflect. If your beliefs are so correct, and you're so sure of them, then they should be able to withstand scrutiny and earnest reflection. But this kind of comment, without any evidence or logic based arguments, is pure logical fallacy. It's comfort blanket you wrap around yourself to try to convince yourself you've "won" the argument, and you do this extremely frequently. You add nothing to the conversation.