To play devil's advocate, there is at least a difference:
●Trump's one was an surprise attack and at least the Americans were in friendly (enough) countries so just stuck in hotels.
● Biden screwed up a deal that he just had to follow and then withdrew the military including the logistical support without removing any equipment or civilian assets using the MUCH better defended and capacity air base.
It's hypocrisy from Trump but at least not idiocy to the point of malice as there at least isn't militias currently surrounding them..
To me, that makes it worse, not better. Biden didn't intend for his incompetence to collapse Afghanistan in a few days, trapping his citizens. Trump just had to have a 'surprise attack' while Americans were still there. It also wasn't that much of a surprise. He was moving assets into place for two months.
at least the Americans were in friendly (enough) countries so just stuck in hotels.
Actually, I saw that the American government is telling nearly all Americans to leave about 20 countries.
Biden "didn't intend" because he's a senile idiot. Jill probably gave the order, or Hunter.
Just like Obama ignored the advice of EVERY advisor & pulled ALL the military assets out of Iraq? Leading to ISIL's over-run? I'm sure both "men" had good intentions, eh? You know what paves the road to hell, right?
In both cases, along with Carter's ill-fated rescue operation, the order was to "bug out", to get out as fast as humanly possible. Troops & US citizens were the top priority, weapons & equipment low on the list. In Iraq they'd been "drawing down" for some time, so the retreat went quite well. Not at all in Afghanistan, where the Deep State had refused Trump's orders for an orderly withdrawal for 2 years. :/
I'm actually less sympathetic to that. I had connections in logistics and clocked something happening in China in 2019 before the pandemic happened, giving me time to stock up and prepare 2 months before lockdowns.
If people can't see the armada amassing and think "you know what, I should stay clear of this until whatever is about to happen is done", that's more on them at that point.
American government is telling nearly all Americans to leave about 20 countries.
Think that's a formality at this point like saying "please area if possible" right after the hurricane hit. The American government has fault but I am REALLY tired of people not reading the room nowadays...
If people can't see the armada amassing and think "you know what, I should stay clear of this until whatever is about to happen is done", that's more on them at that point.
Seems like a lot of these people are employees of the USG or companies, as it was said that they were evacuating "non-essential personnel". Not sure they could have decided on their own to leave because there is a military buildup.
Think that's a formality at this point like saying "please area if possible" right after the hurricane hit.
IIRC, you're also not American, but here in Europe we regularly mock American-style warnings like "please don't dry your cat in the oven".
Seems like a lot of these people are employees of the USG or companies, as it was said that they were evacuating "non-essential personnel".
My scorn is only for those that VOLUNTARILY go to these openly at risk areas. If you're forced by a paycheck and/or contract, I at least have sympathy there. I know there were MANY disasters that were called months in advance by employees but the owner miles away went 'tough luck, carry on working', hopefully they can charge their hotels and room service to the company...
American civilians have been told for YEARS to not travel in Iran. It isn't safe at all. The gov't regularly takes them hostage for leverage or straight-up ransom. Even Canada Told Its Citizens to leave immediately... in January.
What "20 countries" are you blabbering about? Anyone who doesn't realize that Americans haven't been safe to travel in Iran for 40+ years is truly uninformed. 444 days and all that, remember? No? Well go look it up.
To play devil's advocate, there is at least a difference:
●Trump's one was an surprise attack and at least the Americans were in friendly (enough) countries so just stuck in hotels.
● Biden screwed up a deal that he just had to follow and then withdrew the military including the logistical support without removing any equipment or civilian assets using the MUCH better defended and capacity air base.
It's hypocrisy from Trump but at least not idiocy to the point of malice as there at least isn't militias currently surrounding them..
To me, that makes it worse, not better. Biden didn't intend for his incompetence to collapse Afghanistan in a few days, trapping his citizens. Trump just had to have a 'surprise attack' while Americans were still there. It also wasn't that much of a surprise. He was moving assets into place for two months.
Actually, I saw that the American government is telling nearly all Americans to leave about 20 countries.
Honestly, prove he didn't intend for that mess.
He intentionally left our munitions and supplies behind, I can't find any other explanation then greed or malice for that.
Biden "didn't intend" because he's a senile idiot. Jill probably gave the order, or Hunter.
Just like Obama ignored the advice of EVERY advisor & pulled ALL the military assets out of Iraq? Leading to ISIL's over-run? I'm sure both "men" had good intentions, eh? You know what paves the road to hell, right?
In both cases, along with Carter's ill-fated rescue operation, the order was to "bug out", to get out as fast as humanly possible. Troops & US citizens were the top priority, weapons & equipment low on the list. In Iraq they'd been "drawing down" for some time, so the retreat went quite well. Not at all in Afghanistan, where the Deep State had refused Trump's orders for an orderly withdrawal for 2 years. :/
Alright fine, biden might not have but his handlers sure did.
I'm actually less sympathetic to that. I had connections in logistics and clocked something happening in China in 2019 before the pandemic happened, giving me time to stock up and prepare 2 months before lockdowns.
If people can't see the armada amassing and think "you know what, I should stay clear of this until whatever is about to happen is done", that's more on them at that point.
Think that's a formality at this point like saying "please area if possible" right after the hurricane hit. The American government has fault but I am REALLY tired of people not reading the room nowadays...
Seems like a lot of these people are employees of the USG or companies, as it was said that they were evacuating "non-essential personnel". Not sure they could have decided on their own to leave because there is a military buildup.
IIRC, you're also not American, but here in Europe we regularly mock American-style warnings like "please don't dry your cat in the oven".
My scorn is only for those that VOLUNTARILY go to these openly at risk areas. If you're forced by a paycheck and/or contract, I at least have sympathy there. I know there were MANY disasters that were called months in advance by employees but the owner miles away went 'tough luck, carry on working', hopefully they can charge their hotels and room service to the company...
American civilians have been told for YEARS to not travel in Iran. It isn't safe at all. The gov't regularly takes them hostage for leverage or straight-up ransom.
Even Canada Told Its Citizens to leave immediately... in January.
You thought Iran was '20 countries'? That is even more impressive than you thinking that Iraq had WD.
What "20 countries" are you blabbering about? Anyone who doesn't realize that Americans haven't been safe to travel in Iran for 40+ years is truly uninformed. 444 days and all that, remember? No? Well go look it up.