As a German with a history degree I giggle a bit. Keep in mind, we didn't try to take over, Rome couldn't expand into various territories. They'd claim 'decisive' victories and then a few years later move the walls back further.
The Germans on the other hand continued to try to trade with Romans. They had an elaborate gate system to enter into Rome, which could be bypassed. Then Rome demanded a special mark on the papers to allow trading. This wasn't useful a few miles inward so that was ignored.
My direct ancestors were used for war. They were so good that eventually Rome had only German soldiers marching around. This worked till Caeser decided he wasn't going to pay us, or some other fool thought it wise to show a decisive win.
In every case it was a perceived dominance vs the reality surrounding them.
We can point to the European colonies in the same way. The native tribes often thought of themselves as dominant and the Europeans as somewhat useful trade partners. It was only after the Europeans took over that the stories of guns germs and steel were told. Even old Western movies didn't show this dominance.
So, a group that is perceived to be useless and easy to manipulate slowly taking over has quite a bit of precedence. China happens to have it as part of their culture. They destroyed more civilizations and made them Chinese this way than any time they had a superior army.
The problem is these ideas take time. It's not a single generation that does it, but multiple generations. Germans didn't go from outsiders to rulers overnight.
But, then we have to realize the mechanism for that slow down was the speed of travel at that time. Germans could travel faster than Romans. It's actually why so many middle eastern people have trade as a major part of their culture, they are the roads to other lands.
Today, I can drive from Aberdeen to London in 8ish hours depending on traffic. I can get to the other side of Europe in a day pretty easily. I can contact people and do trade with someone around the world with my phone.
Then we have to include propaganda. The English are the best at it. They convinced German Submarine leadership to not use the most effective method for submarines during world war I. They almost convinced the Irish that it was ok to be British. They convinced themselves that they were winning battles in Africa and Europe throughout world war II. All major propaganda is based on their methods and the Canadian system has used it directly.
As a German with a history degree I giggle a bit. Keep in mind, we didn't try to take over, Rome couldn't expand into various territories. They'd claim 'decisive' victories and then a few years later move the walls back further.
The Germans on the other hand continued to try to trade with Romans. They had an elaborate gate system to enter into Rome, which could be bypassed. Then Rome demanded a special mark on the papers to allow trading. This wasn't useful a few miles inward so that was ignored.
My direct ancestors were used for war. They were so good that eventually Rome had only German soldiers marching around. This worked till Caeser decided he wasn't going to pay us, or some other fool thought it wise to show a decisive win.
In every case it was a perceived dominance vs the reality surrounding them.
We can point to the European colonies in the same way. The native tribes often thought of themselves as dominant and the Europeans as somewhat useful trade partners. It was only after the Europeans took over that the stories of guns germs and steel were told. Even old Western movies didn't show this dominance.
So, a group that is perceived to be useless and easy to manipulate slowly taking over has quite a bit of precedence. China happens to have it as part of their culture. They destroyed more civilizations and made them Chinese this way than any time they had a superior army.
So, what you're saying Saar is you'll soon be speaking Hindi Saar.
It's on my list, but I want to learn the slavics and Greek first. Also, Korean.
What time scales are we talking about here? Can I expect Jizya within my lifespan in UK?
The problem is these ideas take time. It's not a single generation that does it, but multiple generations. Germans didn't go from outsiders to rulers overnight.
But, then we have to realize the mechanism for that slow down was the speed of travel at that time. Germans could travel faster than Romans. It's actually why so many middle eastern people have trade as a major part of their culture, they are the roads to other lands.
Today, I can drive from Aberdeen to London in 8ish hours depending on traffic. I can get to the other side of Europe in a day pretty easily. I can contact people and do trade with someone around the world with my phone.
Then we have to include propaganda. The English are the best at it. They convinced German Submarine leadership to not use the most effective method for submarines during world war I. They almost convinced the Irish that it was ok to be British. They convinced themselves that they were winning battles in Africa and Europe throughout world war II. All major propaganda is based on their methods and the Canadian system has used it directly.
So, I would guess 2 generations.