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How do you get outflanked this badly? (twitter.com)
posted 129 days ago by AntonioOfVenice 129 days ago by AntonioOfVenice +17 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 2 points 128 days ago +2 / -0

He is arguing that if you go in law enforcement face and are an idiot maybe you should not have a gun.

Is he? Let's say he is. How is that remotely relevant to what happened?

You can legally have a gun but you will get shot.

That makes no sense. So if you're an "idiot" you'll get disarmed and shot in the back?

Sry but after Charlie Kirk I don't care about leftists getting shot.

So you're no better than the left (most of whom DIDN'T say that they didn't care about CK being shot)? You were opposing people getting shot in the street to do the left a favor?

At least do yourself a favor. Do you think the left is now greatly benefiting from the people being retarded over Charlie Kirk? Cheering or ostentatiously "not caring" about this does no benefit to the right, and only galvanizes the right. Or don't, that's OK too. Wouldn't want to be called a "concern troll" when I'm beyond care or concern for the suicidal tendencies of the American right, like a friend to someone who is so deep into drug addiction that there is no saving him.

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– Galean 5 points 128 days ago +5 / -0

That makes no sense. So if you're an "idiot" you'll get disarmed and shot in the back?

Having a gun in a confrontation with an officer is dangerous. It was not justified to get shot but it was still dangerous and stupid.

So you're no better than the left (most of whom DIDN'T say that they didn't care about CK being shot)

The vile things said about Charlie Kirk death had hundreds of thousands to millions of upvotes. Hard sell that the majority aren't horrible people. And I'm not celebrating his death I just don't care.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 2 points 128 days ago +2 / -0

Having a gun in a confrontation with an officer is dangerous. It was not justified to get shot but it was still dangerous and stupid.

He may have been the dumbest person in human history, but it's not relevant to this situation. It's the officers who acted wrongly. They disarmed him before they killed him. The gun is not remotely excusing (or for whatever reason you bring it up).

The vile things said about Charlie Kirk death had hundreds of thousands to millions of upvotes. Hard sell that the majority aren't horrible people.

They may be horrible people, but "millions of upvotes" (even if true) doesn't establish that. Most people are not Very Online.

And let's be real. If we go by social media, the majority of people on the right are horrible people too, and not (just) because of this.

And I'm not celebrating his death I just don't care.

Why? You think performatively 'not caring' does your side any good? "I don't care" is just the right-wing vice-signaling version of left-wing virtue-signal of "I'm a very caring person".

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– Galean 3 points 128 days ago +3 / -0

the majority of people on the right are horrible people too, and not (just) because of this.

I've yet to see anything close to the left. Not even in the same ballpark. From calling anyone right of Mao nazis, that we need to put anyone voting with Trump in camps, cheering on white genocide, defending rapists and murderers, to bold face lies again and again. No thank you, I'm completely rejecting your premise.

Why? You think performatively 'not caring' does your side any good? "I don't care" is just the right-wing vice-signaling version of left-wing virtue-signal of "I'm a very caring person".

No. For the left is a lie for me is truth. I don't care he died because he was stupid doing stupid thing from a mob of people that are pro mass migration. I don't celebrate his death, I don't think he should have died as redeption is always on the table but that is where my caring ends. He wants genocide of white people via mass migration, he wants the destruction of US and hated everything about it, why would I care about his death?

Why would me and millions like me caring have any impact on an extremely polarized society? Why should I find common ground with open-border marxists that want to trans children and remove white people from society?

The lie that there is a middle ground died with Charlie Kirk.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 1 point 128 days ago +1 / -0

that we need to put anyone voting with Trump in camps

Who said that?

to bold face lies again and again.

I've seen no bald-faced lies like the ones by the administration on this matter. Certainly, there have been more damaging lies, but assassin, domestic terrorist, approached brandishing a gun trying to stage a mass casualty event? That's when there is video...

You may say "it's OK they're lying because it's about a leftist". But I'm not OK with being lied to about anyone.

genocide of white people via mass migration, he wants the destruction of US and hated everything about it...trans children and remove white people from society

Does vice-signaling make it more likely or less likely that this will happen? You're a good guy, but sometimes partisanship gets the better of you, as with Epstein where IIRC you were blaming the Democrats for Trump suppressing the files. You won't persuade the left, but proudly being terrible people has the same effect on others (including persuadables in the middle) as your litany (calling anyone right of Mao nazis, that we need to put anyone voting with Trump in camps, cheering on white genocide, defending rapists and murderers) had on you.

Why would me and millions like me caring have any impact on an extremely polarized society?

Then don't. The left also didn't care when it was sowing, only now that it is reaping.

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– WeedleTLiar 2 points 128 days ago +2 / -0

They disarmed him before they killed him. The gun is not remotely excusing (or for whatever reason you bring it up).

If he hadn't been armed, this would have been a standard takedown and he would be alive now.

Specifically because he had a gun, the situation became a matter of life and death for everyone involved. Pretti did that, intentionally.

Did the feds, who have been targetted by both violent rhetoric and actual violence in Minneanapolis, react badly? Possibly.

Did Pretti's shitty SIG misfire, leading them to think he was still armed? Possibly.

He's allowed to have a gun, he's allowed to be in public, he's not allowed to interfere with LEOs, and having the gun while doing so brought real world consequences, not legal ones.

Now, Trump will likely try to use this to push gun control, which I oppose, but I see nothing wrong with the situation as it stands. FAFO.

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– TCDforver 2 points 128 days ago +2 / -0

Having a gun in a confrontation with an officer is dangerous.

Retareded and evil the police should treat everyone as armed, hell they should assume they could be wearing bomb vests.

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– TCDforver 2 points 128 days ago +2 / -0

Hard sell that the majority aren't horrible people

Individuals matter far less than wide reaching effects.

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– TCDforver 1 point 128 days ago +1 / -0

(most of whom DIDN'T say that they didn't care about CK being shot)?

The only ones who didn't support his shooting were either weak cucks who can't accept what it takes to win a war our the smart few who realize why his assassination could have easily back fired if not for the establishment "right" doing everything they could to kneecap us to prevent radicalization and escalation.

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