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Just saw the video compilation of various angles made by Asmongold (or whoever) about the ICE shooting in Minneapolis.This is what they're making their 'cause celebre'. :') (www.youtube.com)
posted 190 days ago by LastRights 190 days ago by LastRights +27 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice 15 points 189 days ago +15 / -0

The right is in big trouble when a nitwit who doesn't shower, has a "dead rat alarm clock" and panicked about Mamdani introducing "Arabic numerals" in schools, is one of its most prominent commentators.

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– Kienan 3 points 189 days ago +3 / -0

I don't dislike Asmon, but he does have some character traits I really don't appreciate.

Foremost, he doesn't do his research, but speaks with absolute authority or confidence. So he'll react to things where he doesn't have the full context or story, and then present himself as something approaching an expert. It's a pretty infuriating pattern.

When he's right, he's right; I think he has decent instincts, and his ideology seems relatively "based" outside of some blind spots. But he's inconsistent, and since he goes off halfcocked, when he gets it wrong, he can get it very wrong. And, most frustrating, just gets it wrong for incredibly simple and avoidable reasons...the aforementioned not doing any research. He just reacts. Which is fine, if he also wasn't taken as some sort of "thought leader." Which isn't his fault, but it's just weird.

Also, I hate to see all these people I to some extent like dive headfirst into the 'I'm ignoring history and past statements, US interventionism is great and necessary now (because Daddy Trump.)' Just like with October 7th reactions, and just like with Iran reactions, Venezuela/Iran 2 is making me lose some respect for people I like.

I fear the 'breakfast question' has even more dire answers than I had feared, and even people who talk about the breakfast question often fail the test themselves. Which is wild.

Also, no matter how you feel about this ICE shooting, I really hate the bloodthirstiness some people on "my side" are exhibiting. I heard it put well, I think by Daryl Cooper (who sadly also missed some obvious stuff and got things wrong for no reason), that this was a 'can, not should' shooting. i.e. the lady probably crossed enough lines so the agent will have a decent defense for pulling the trigger...but doesn't mean that's what was called for in that situation.

Kind of what I've been saying; she takes most of the blame for putting herself in that situation, and behaving like a lunatic, but doesn't mean I like the outcome, and doesn't mean the agent behaved perfectly. And, sadly, I think both sides wanted this. The left to prove their point, the right/admin so they can point to the riots and get more support for increased crackdowns. It's also just fucking midterms nonsense.

Lastly, because I realize this is another essay, but this is an interesting point I haven't seen anyone make. Most people are talking about self defense, but I do see some talking about duty to protect as well. People keep talking about duty to protect when it comes to killing Americans. 'He had to pull the trigger, or she would have driven off and killed someone else. You can't let her leave the scene.' But, if she actually had been driving right at a pedestrian, that agent has no duty to stop the car and save the pedestrian, if he fears for his own life. People can't have it both ways. There is no duty to protect, so he had no obligation to stop her from leaving the scene. They had her plate...they had her "partner," so she wasn't going to escape justice either. We can talk self defense, that's certainly valid, but the idea that he had to stop her from leaving is just not correct.

Again, she takes most of the blame for doing what she did, but the whole thing was avoidable from all angles and, to my point, I don't like to see people cheering this on. Or even overly justifying it, even if it was justifiable. While law and order is very important, we do also have to be wary of further normalizing the killing of Americans, even retarded ones. They want a federal policy force; they almost officially got it under Biden, and they're doing something similar under Trump. This will come back around and target us, too. No matter how you all feel about this crazy leftist, a lot of the people pulling the 'law and order' strings hate us as well.

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– 5Cats 3 points 189 days ago +3 / -0

I don't see much in the way of "bloodthirstiness" from the right on this. At most a tiny fraction of the cheering the left does EVERY time someone on our side is injured or killed.

You are correct in that he isn't obliged to protect potential victims from her erratic driving, but that has nothing to do with this case. She drove at him & he has a right to self-defense.
We can blather on and on about should he be walking there? Should he have tried to run before shooting? Should he have shot the tire to stop her? (Yes, people are actually saying this & not being sarcastic!) But that's armchair quarterback thinking. Fine as speculation but does nothing to change the facts. He made a split second decision, as was his right.

I think sending the National Guard to escort ICE is a proper response to the organized & escalating violence the left is attacking agents with every single day now. Allowing them this much leeway has only made things worse. Time to crack down hard & the Blue State police have been ordered to do nothing. Even if they did? The Soros DAs and Dem judges will set them free. Exactly like the BLT riots.

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– Kienan 2 points 189 days ago +2 / -0

I don't see much in the way of "bloodthirstiness" from the right on this.

I've seen a fair few people equating fucking around and finding out with 'bitch had it coming LOL.'

At most a tiny fraction of the cheering the left does EVERY time someone on our side is injured or killed.

But, yes, very true. The right correctly pointing out that this woman was an absolute moron is not the same as the left cheering on, for example, the Kirk killing.

She drove at him & he has a right to self-defense.

Correct, and I said as much. I still think ICE was looking for a fight though. I won't do the whole 'he was already next to her when he fired' bit, because it fails to take reflexes into account, and the first shot did go through the front windshield, albeit at an angle.

I think he may have bene looking for trouble, but that he also reacted in defensive instinct.

Part of my point is they should have been trained to not get in that position because, as I've said, the left was looking for this sort of incident. ICE should have prioritized not handing it to them. 'Defend yourself if needed, but try not to get into a position where you need to' should have been the operating procedure. And doesn't seem it was.

That's what I mean about this being avoidable. I'm not saying this wasn't a self defensive shoot.

We can blather on and on about should he be walking there? Should he have tried to run before shooting?

It's not blathering, in my opinion, when the obvious and predictable outcome to him shooting her is leftist retards burning the state to the ground.

Should he have shot the tire to stop her? (Yes, people are actually saying this & not being sarcastic!)

You clearly already know that, based one the second half...but, yeah, what a bunch of retards. What a joke.

I think sending the National Guard to escort ICE is a proper response to the organized & escalating violence the left is attacking agents with every single day now.

I don't know enough about what it is exactly ICE is hoping to accomplish, and I'm hesitant with further federal involvement...but, yeah, something to that effect seems sensible, if they can avoid incidents like this.

Allowing them this much leeway has only made things worse.

Yup. But, again, I think the inept response also made things worse. We're getting the worst of both worlds; they let these leftists run roughshod...and then killed a woman and sparked off further retardation.

It's a messy situation all around.

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– 5Cats 1 point 188 days ago +1 / -0

It's not blathering, in my opinion, when the obvious and predictable outcome to him shooting her is leftist retards burning the state to the ground.

Sorry if that came off "heavy". I'm referring to the endless wordage that has no meaning at all coming from the Media. They know no more than you or I, but continue to flap their gums like they have Tourette's.

I also pointed out (maybe not here?) that he was escaping from an openly hostile wife. He was de-escalating which is good. Unfortunately that meant he had to walk in front of the car. :/

It is messy, but one side is paid LEO and the other is deranged paid domestic terrorists. I know who I'm going to support.

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