It should have, but no one listens to me, particularly not Israel.
Well, that's quite a different tone. I do notice that you use the phrases of moral outrage when you talk about what Palestinians do, but are much more subdued when talking about what Israel does.
At least we can agree that killing is bad no matter who does it.
The US was a million times better to Indians than the Israelis are to Gaza. Phillipense is the correct analogy because it was properly murderous. Israel doesn't want "more breathing room", they want to remove an ever-present threat.
That too. The living space is more applicable to the West Bank, at least for now. Gaza isn't a nice place to live, maybe it would be with the Palestinians expelled to Somaliland. I do think the Philippines analogy isn't exactly right because Americans weren't intent on living there, and the campaign was just to keep control.
There is a big difference between "we want to conquer you and milk you like your own government would" and "we want you outta here to settle this land".
They were attacked, but that's not a valuable strategic target like bridges, power stations, dams, and the like. Not one airfield was eliminated. The IDF wasn't over-run at any bases that I've seen, they were overrun at checkpoints.
I live in debellicized Europe, I wouldn't know the difference.
Yeah, they're Jordanian.
Wait, so "Jordan" is real and "Palestine" isn't, even though the name goes back millennia and Jordan for the land doesn't?
Yeah, their Israeli.
Sorry, that's not real. They're Polish. What kind of name is Miliekowsky and Schneidermann? Definitely not Middle Eastern.
I do notice that you use the phrases of moral outrage when you talk about what Palestinians do, but are much more subdued when talking about what Israel does.
I'm not well-versed on Israeli war crimes, that is why I'm subdued on them. Many of the allegations I've seen were fabricated, outright lies, and distortions on reality. I'm not going to say that they didn't commit any. I'm sure there's got to be some number, but I don't look hard enough into the conflict to know for sure. Hamas on the other hand, basically broadcast it as loud and as obviously as they could. Leftists then proceed to completely deny all of them, or even rationalize why genocide is moral.
The Hasan v. Ethan issue was an argument between whether every jewish man, woman, and child in Israel should be killed as an colonizer; versus whether every man, woman, and child should be killed in the settlements. Hasan was literally saying that "yes, I want your wife's immediate family to be killed right now, or they should be forced to flee for their lives." This is what started that break up.
This is what was presented to me by the Left, so I offer basically no sympathy for positions of such extreme violence.
I live in debellicized Europe, I wouldn't know the difference.
You live in Uruguay.
Sorry, that's not real. They're Polish. What kind of name is Miliekowsky and Schneidermann? Definitely not Middle Eastern.
"Israel is a country of immigrants."
Huh... I didn't know I stil had a beeper... Who's cal
I'm not well-versed on Israeli war crimes, that is why I'm subdued on them.
Wait, so how does that work? 1,200 2/3 civilian vs. 100,000 83% civilian, and you decide to be outraged about the former and not the latter?
Many of the allegations I've seen were fabricated, outright lies, and distortions on reality.
That is because you live in a GOPe, Israel First bubble and the only allegations you hear about at all are ones that are fabricated, or the ones that they tell you are fabricated.
Hamas on the other hand, basically broadcast it as loud and as obviously as they could.
Same for Israeli atrocities that simply did not penetrate your bubble. They openly say that they're committing genocide, and that they're starving Gaza, but you'll say "Leftists this, Marxism, Socialism something".
The Hasan v. Ethan issue was an argument between whether every jewish man, woman, and child in Israel should be killed as an colonizer;
It took a moment for me to understand what you're talking about. I'm pretty sure Hassan doesn't support killing every single "jewish man, woman and child in Israel".
This is what was presented to me by the Left, so I offer basically no sympathy for positions of such extreme violence.
OK, so words are extreme violence, and destroying 92% of Gaza's buildings, blowing up most of the hospitals, 100,000 killings, continuing your killing spree during a 'ceasefire' isn't.
You live in Uruguay.
Excuse me, you live in Mexico. Guadalajara to be precise. You ain't talking shit about my Uruguay.
Wait, so how does that work? 1,200 2/3 civilian vs. 100,000 83% civilian, and you decide to be outraged about the former and not the latter?
The issue is the brutality and glee, not the raw numbers alone. And it's the fact that both sides now approve of what they are doing to each other at their most extreme. It's not an issue of "outrage at this but not this". As far as I'm concerned, everyone agreed that this is the kind of war they want.
It's like that Smith-Murray debate. Smith wanted to focus on the fact that Murray had to admit that children being buried alive under rubble was a real thing that was happening. What Smith didn't want to acknowledge, and what Murray wouldn't say outright, was that both sides agreed (frankly, including the children), that this was a good thing to the other guys kids. You can't do anything with that.
That is because you live in a GOPe, Israel First bubble and the only allegations you hear about at all are ones that are fabricated, or the ones that they tell you are fabricated.
It's because I'm not paying attention to the war. Hence, sorting out the fabrications from the reality would take more effort than I'm going put in.
It took a moment for me to understand what you're talking about. I'm pretty sure Hassan doesn't support killing every single "jewish man, woman and child in Israel".
He does. He said so. ALL jews in Israel are military targets. This was a big mantra at the time on the Left: "There are no civilians in Israel." Ethan actually specified if that applied to his family, and Hasan told him that it would, unless they left the country.
OK, so words are extreme violence, and destroying 92% of Gaza's buildings, blowing up most of the hospitals, 100,000 killings, continuing your killing spree during a 'ceasefire' isn't.
I'm telling you what I'm presented with. I didn't say words are violence. I typically make decisions on what people admit to. The same way you came to conclusions when you saw people supporting rape.
The issue is the brutality and glee, not the raw numbers alone
I don't know man, they seem plenty brutal and gleeful at killing people. But please let the memo go out to future genocidal killers: "make sure that you don't show too much glee while you're doing it".
As far as I'm concerned, everyone agreed that this is the kind of war they want.
But you're only outraged about one side's action: the weaker, the one not actually doing that, and coincidentally the one not allied with the US. Maybe this is also one of the things that you're not aware of, but did you know that Israel has killed 400 people since the fake "ceasefire"? So much for a ceasefire.
It's like that Smith-Murray debate.
It's so unexpected that anyone on your side would bring up the "you've never BEEEEN" that I actually had to look that up.
It's because I'm not paying attention to the war. Hence, sorting out the fabrications from the reality would take more effort than I'm going put in.
But you are. You're paying attention to whatever the Israel First bubble decides to put in front of you. Obviously, they never talk about any of the real crimes and only fabrications. Then you say: I don't know, all the ones I've seen in the Israel First bubble were fabrications. Be real.
He does. He said so. ALL jews in Israel are military targets.
I'm skeptical, because that's just a weird thing to say for a leftist.
I'm telling you what I'm presented with. I didn't say words are violence. I typically make decisions on what people admit to. The same way you came to conclusions when you saw people supporting rape.
I only brought that up because you talked about people thinking that others deserve rape. Even so, if Palestinians were actually doing the raping, and Israelis only talked about others deserving rape, obviously the first would be more worthy of criticism. So why now now that Israelis are doing the killing, and your impressive mind-reading skills tell you that Palestinians want to KILL KILL KILL?
It's double standards all the way down. Not just limited to your pro-Israel side btw, but it's one of the things that shows that your side is not that of the angels.
He does. He said so. ALL jews in Israel are military targets.
So I looked into this, and unfortunately, this is another product of a Republican/Israel First bubble. In fact, he said the exact opposite. Nor did he specify 'Jews'.
“The other school of thought here is that all matter of Israelis living [in] Israel proper are also [settlers] in the eyes of some,” Piker continued. “I do not agree with that because I don’t think that that is a reasonable solution https://archive.is/P4AOE
Well, that's quite a different tone. I do notice that you use the phrases of moral outrage when you talk about what Palestinians do, but are much more subdued when talking about what Israel does.
At least we can agree that killing is bad no matter who does it.
That too. The living space is more applicable to the West Bank, at least for now. Gaza isn't a nice place to live, maybe it would be with the Palestinians expelled to Somaliland. I do think the Philippines analogy isn't exactly right because Americans weren't intent on living there, and the campaign was just to keep control.
There is a big difference between "we want to conquer you and milk you like your own government would" and "we want you outta here to settle this land".
I live in debellicized Europe, I wouldn't know the difference.
Wait, so "Jordan" is real and "Palestine" isn't, even though the name goes back millennia and Jordan for the land doesn't?
Sorry, that's not real. They're Polish. What kind of name is Miliekowsky and Schneidermann? Definitely not Middle Eastern.
I'm not well-versed on Israeli war crimes, that is why I'm subdued on them. Many of the allegations I've seen were fabricated, outright lies, and distortions on reality. I'm not going to say that they didn't commit any. I'm sure there's got to be some number, but I don't look hard enough into the conflict to know for sure. Hamas on the other hand, basically broadcast it as loud and as obviously as they could. Leftists then proceed to completely deny all of them, or even rationalize why genocide is moral.
The Hasan v. Ethan issue was an argument between whether every jewish man, woman, and child in Israel should be killed as an colonizer; versus whether every man, woman, and child should be killed in the settlements. Hasan was literally saying that "yes, I want your wife's immediate family to be killed right now, or they should be forced to flee for their lives." This is what started that break up.
This is what was presented to me by the Left, so I offer basically no sympathy for positions of such extreme violence.
You live in Uruguay.
"Israel is a country of immigrants."
Huh... I didn't know I stil had a beeper... Who's cal
Wait, so how does that work? 1,200 2/3 civilian vs. 100,000 83% civilian, and you decide to be outraged about the former and not the latter?
That is because you live in a GOPe, Israel First bubble and the only allegations you hear about at all are ones that are fabricated, or the ones that they tell you are fabricated.
Same for Israeli atrocities that simply did not penetrate your bubble. They openly say that they're committing genocide, and that they're starving Gaza, but you'll say "Leftists this, Marxism, Socialism something".
It took a moment for me to understand what you're talking about. I'm pretty sure Hassan doesn't support killing every single "jewish man, woman and child in Israel".
OK, so words are extreme violence, and destroying 92% of Gaza's buildings, blowing up most of the hospitals, 100,000 killings, continuing your killing spree during a 'ceasefire' isn't.
Excuse me, you live in Mexico. Guadalajara to be precise. You ain't talking shit about my Uruguay.
The issue is the brutality and glee, not the raw numbers alone. And it's the fact that both sides now approve of what they are doing to each other at their most extreme. It's not an issue of "outrage at this but not this". As far as I'm concerned, everyone agreed that this is the kind of war they want.
It's like that Smith-Murray debate. Smith wanted to focus on the fact that Murray had to admit that children being buried alive under rubble was a real thing that was happening. What Smith didn't want to acknowledge, and what Murray wouldn't say outright, was that both sides agreed (frankly, including the children), that this was a good thing to the other guys kids. You can't do anything with that.
It's because I'm not paying attention to the war. Hence, sorting out the fabrications from the reality would take more effort than I'm going put in.
He does. He said so. ALL jews in Israel are military targets. This was a big mantra at the time on the Left: "There are no civilians in Israel." Ethan actually specified if that applied to his family, and Hasan told him that it would, unless they left the country.
I'm telling you what I'm presented with. I didn't say words are violence. I typically make decisions on what people admit to. The same way you came to conclusions when you saw people supporting rape.
I don't know man, they seem plenty brutal and gleeful at killing people. But please let the memo go out to future genocidal killers: "make sure that you don't show too much glee while you're doing it".
But you're only outraged about one side's action: the weaker, the one not actually doing that, and coincidentally the one not allied with the US. Maybe this is also one of the things that you're not aware of, but did you know that Israel has killed 400 people since the fake "ceasefire"? So much for a ceasefire.
It's so unexpected that anyone on your side would bring up the "you've never BEEEEN" that I actually had to look that up.
But you are. You're paying attention to whatever the Israel First bubble decides to put in front of you. Obviously, they never talk about any of the real crimes and only fabrications. Then you say: I don't know, all the ones I've seen in the Israel First bubble were fabrications. Be real.
I'm skeptical, because that's just a weird thing to say for a leftist.
I only brought that up because you talked about people thinking that others deserve rape. Even so, if Palestinians were actually doing the raping, and Israelis only talked about others deserving rape, obviously the first would be more worthy of criticism. So why now now that Israelis are doing the killing, and your impressive mind-reading skills tell you that Palestinians want to KILL KILL KILL?
It's double standards all the way down. Not just limited to your pro-Israel side btw, but it's one of the things that shows that your side is not that of the angels.
So I looked into this, and unfortunately, this is another product of a Republican/Israel First bubble. In fact, he said the exact opposite. Nor did he specify 'Jews'.