I shit you not!
He told the cops his name, his address and why he was there. They demanded ID which he simply did not have on him. So they put him in cuffs and arrested him.
The "charge" was later dropped, so he sued the cops.
A lower court said "no way, immunity!" but that got overturned on appeal.
So now the State's highest court is going to rule on what should be obvious. The US Supremes covered this years ago, afaik. Can cops "compel" a person to show ID under penalty of arrest if they do not?
His lawyer makes an excellent point: you could get arrested if you go to the store but leave your ID at home because the cops stop you & demand ID? Nonsense.
Not to distract from your case study on cooperating, but:
"Hell no man I'm not going to give you no ID"
From the clip it seem he drove to the neighbor's house 'across the street' (which sounds more than like 100') so he probably had ID on him but was just upset they asked.
Yeah it's annoying to show the ID but victim culture transforms annoying to degrading and then you get this kind of incident.
edit: black guy in Alabama watering flowers gets harassed by 3 white cops and you guys think he's some kind of constitutional scholar. Good grief.
But he does know his rights. The US Supremes said that years ago.
Weather he's being a jerk or he didn't have any on him isn't the issue. It is that the cops were illegally demanding something from him & he didn't want to, or could not, comply further. He did comply fully otherwise.
They said they were called about the car parked on the neighbor's driveway, but the video shows no reply. He was standing in a perfectly empty driveway, why would not park there?
Anyhow, no idea if the car was his or not. I'm guessing not because if it were they'd have charged him with that, not some make-up BS.
And he freely gave his info. Name, address and why he was there. By asking him for physical ID they're just being lazy. Go look it up & see if it's true! If true, go away. Same as seeing physical ID. Bad cops.
I'm guessing he didn't have ID on him because he'd walked over. The cops demanding it after he told them everything suggests they didn't bother to go look anything up.
I imagine he probably parked in the neighbor's driveway so it was easier to use the hose on the flowers along the house, the neighbors said wtf and called the cops, and that's why they were there. The SUV was poorly parked.
Makes more sense than cops just randomly stopping to check on some guy watering plants.
But I'd have to look up the details and don't care about it that much. Point is he could have just showed them an ID and been back to watering flowers in like 2 minutes.
The cop tells him they were called because of that car, but it never is established if it was his car or not.
If he did park it there, and admits that, I think they can ask for his drivers license? You don't have to be in the car, just have operated it. But again, even without the paper just giving your name & address should be enough. Fridays with Frank does that all the time.
If his ID was at home (since he walked there) then telling his name and address ought to be ample. But it looks like the cops never even went to look it up before slapping the cuffs on him. Even if he had it on him, they don't actually have the lawful right to demand it, name & address is enough unless that comes up fake.
Anyhow, that's what the US Supremes said & what the Alabama Supremes are looking at now.
I shit you not!
He told the cops his name, his address and why he was there. They demanded ID which he simply did not have on him. So they put him in cuffs and arrested him.
The "charge" was later dropped, so he sued the cops.
A lower court said "no way, immunity!" but that got overturned on appeal.
So now the State's highest court is going to rule on what should be obvious. The US Supremes covered this years ago, afaik. Can cops "compel" a person to show ID under penalty of arrest if they do not?
His lawyer makes an excellent point: you could get arrested if you go to the store but leave your ID at home because the cops stop you & demand ID? Nonsense.
Not to distract from your case study on cooperating, but:
"Hell no man I'm not going to give you no ID"
From the clip it seem he drove to the neighbor's house 'across the street' (which sounds more than like 100') so he probably had ID on him but was just upset they asked.
Yeah it's annoying to show the ID but victim culture transforms annoying to degrading and then you get this kind of incident.
edit: black guy in Alabama watering flowers gets harassed by 3 white cops and you guys think he's some kind of constitutional scholar. Good grief.
I think this is less victim and more fuck you I know my rights.
But he does know his rights. The US Supremes said that years ago.
Weather he's being a jerk or he didn't have any on him isn't the issue. It is that the cops were illegally demanding something from him & he didn't want to, or could not, comply further. He did comply fully otherwise.
I'm not disagreeing. I meant he's an actual victim of overreach and he was standing up for his rights. Not a pretend victim
He already told his name and address. If you're trying to make a point about not having to show ID probably shouldn't identify yourself first.
Are you retarded? If you identify yourself and they have no probable cause then that's the end of it.
They said they were called about the car parked on the neighbor's driveway, but the video shows no reply. He was standing in a perfectly empty driveway, why would not park there?
Anyhow, no idea if the car was his or not. I'm guessing not because if it were they'd have charged him with that, not some make-up BS.
And he freely gave his info. Name, address and why he was there. By asking him for physical ID they're just being lazy. Go look it up & see if it's true! If true, go away. Same as seeing physical ID. Bad cops.
I'm guessing he didn't have ID on him because he'd walked over. The cops demanding it after he told them everything suggests they didn't bother to go look anything up.
I imagine he probably parked in the neighbor's driveway so it was easier to use the hose on the flowers along the house, the neighbors said wtf and called the cops, and that's why they were there. The SUV was poorly parked.
Makes more sense than cops just randomly stopping to check on some guy watering plants.
But I'd have to look up the details and don't care about it that much. Point is he could have just showed them an ID and been back to watering flowers in like 2 minutes.
The cop tells him they were called because of that car, but it never is established if it was his car or not. If he did park it there, and admits that, I think they can ask for his drivers license? You don't have to be in the car, just have operated it. But again, even without the paper just giving your name & address should be enough. Fridays with Frank does that all the time.
If his ID was at home (since he walked there) then telling his name and address ought to be ample. But it looks like the cops never even went to look it up before slapping the cuffs on him. Even if he had it on him, they don't actually have the lawful right to demand it, name & address is enough unless that comes up fake.
Anyhow, that's what the US Supremes said & what the Alabama Supremes are looking at now.
Cops are on average retarded