Okay, so you have never made an effort to have casual conversation with a stranger at a bar. You need to be able to admit this fact about yourself. You can't keep pretending this isn't true. The first time you only talked to your friend, the second time you only talked to family.
I don't know the search terms to use
"Bar near me where mid 20s people hang out." "Brewery near me." "Dive bar near me."
Now you know them. Use them.
You're telling me to "go to shops and talk to the owners about them"
Yes. That's literally what I'm saying.
I walked into a plant shop months ago and chatted with him about plant care and how long he's owned the shop. I went to a wine bar about a year ago and chatted with the owner and the bartender about wine and what wines they like because I didn't know what to drink. They know me by name now. I patronize a sandwich shop across the street from me frequently and she gives me free soup and we chat about music and our lives.
It's how you learn to converse with people. I'm teaching you how to do that as a means to reach your goals. This is required of you to know how to do.
Okay, so you have never made an effort to have casual conversation with a stranger at a bar. You need to be able to admit this fact about yourself. You can't keep pretending this isn't true. The first time you only talked to your friend, the second time you only talked to family.
I have only had the opportunity to go to a bar twice in my life and I doubt my parents wanted me wandering off.
"Bar near me where mid 20s people hang out." "Brewery near me." "Dive bar near me." Now you know them. Use them.
I see you conveniently ignore that my parents don't want me going out to bars especially alone.
I walked into a plant shop months ago and chatted with him about plant care and how long he's owned the shop. I went to a wine bar about a year ago and chatted with the owner and the bartender about wine and what wines they like because I didn't know what to drink. They know me by name now. I patronize a sandwich shop across the street from me frequently and she gives me free soup and we chat about music and our lives.
And I'm saying that I don't encounter these opportunities. the only shops I go to are grocery chains, other than that there isn't anywhere I have a reason to go. unless you just expect me to start going out to eat regularly just to get out of the house. Even then when I was regularly trying that because it was the only actionable advice for getting out that I had received it still only ever lead to me sitting around alone waiting for time to pass. I'm not getting the sorts of opportunities you're describing.
It's how you learn to converse with people. I'm teaching you how to do that as a means to reach your goals. This is required of you to know how to do.
What actually putting your advice into practice entails is just throwing away time and money, accomplishing nothing, and then getting blamed for not achieving success despite the opportunities not being present. Going to a sandwich shop alone on a regular basis is literally one of the few things I have been able to try and in the months I spent doing it the only thing that came of it was getting yelled at by my dad for being gone too long despite him knowing that it had an overheating problem and needed time to cool down. I was treated like a creepy retarded psychopath by him just for going out and getting practice driving because he didn't trust me to be able to wait in place without making an ass of myself.
I have only had the opportunity to go to a bar twice in my life and I doubt my parents wanted me wandering off.
Okay, so, therefore, you have never made an effort. It's not meant to be a put down, you genuinely have never made the effort to speak with and meet someone new. This is something that you need to learn how to do in order to meet your goal.
unless you just expect me to start going out to eat regularly just to get out of the house.
Yes. That's what normal people do. And then you make the effort to talk with people. This is what you have never tried.
Okay, so, therefore, you have never made an effort. It's not meant to be a put down, you genuinely have never made the effort to speak with and meet someone new. This is something that you need to learn how to do in order to meet your goal.
How do you expect me to "make the effort" when I'm not allowed to? I'm doing everything I can and will even be dragging myself to church tomorrow because it's one of the only places I'm allowed to go even if I end up hating everyone there.
Well, normal people at your age would be allowed to go out on their own as adults. Either way, being “allowed” is not the issue. As it stands, you've been given explicit permission if not encouragement to get out on your own by both your mother and your father. Your mother even said you could take the car.
You don't have to go to a bar. You can also look up classes or alcohol free events. I've already told you explicitly how you can do that.
Okay, so you have never made an effort to have casual conversation with a stranger at a bar. You need to be able to admit this fact about yourself. You can't keep pretending this isn't true. The first time you only talked to your friend, the second time you only talked to family.
"Bar near me where mid 20s people hang out." "Brewery near me." "Dive bar near me."
Now you know them. Use them.
Yes. That's literally what I'm saying.
I walked into a plant shop months ago and chatted with him about plant care and how long he's owned the shop. I went to a wine bar about a year ago and chatted with the owner and the bartender about wine and what wines they like because I didn't know what to drink. They know me by name now. I patronize a sandwich shop across the street from me frequently and she gives me free soup and we chat about music and our lives.
It's how you learn to converse with people. I'm teaching you how to do that as a means to reach your goals. This is required of you to know how to do.
I have only had the opportunity to go to a bar twice in my life and I doubt my parents wanted me wandering off.
I see you conveniently ignore that my parents don't want me going out to bars especially alone.
And I'm saying that I don't encounter these opportunities. the only shops I go to are grocery chains, other than that there isn't anywhere I have a reason to go. unless you just expect me to start going out to eat regularly just to get out of the house. Even then when I was regularly trying that because it was the only actionable advice for getting out that I had received it still only ever lead to me sitting around alone waiting for time to pass. I'm not getting the sorts of opportunities you're describing.
What actually putting your advice into practice entails is just throwing away time and money, accomplishing nothing, and then getting blamed for not achieving success despite the opportunities not being present. Going to a sandwich shop alone on a regular basis is literally one of the few things I have been able to try and in the months I spent doing it the only thing that came of it was getting yelled at by my dad for being gone too long despite him knowing that it had an overheating problem and needed time to cool down. I was treated like a creepy retarded psychopath by him just for going out and getting practice driving because he didn't trust me to be able to wait in place without making an ass of myself.
Okay, so, therefore, you have never made an effort. It's not meant to be a put down, you genuinely have never made the effort to speak with and meet someone new. This is something that you need to learn how to do in order to meet your goal.
Yes. That's what normal people do. And then you make the effort to talk with people. This is what you have never tried.
How do you expect me to "make the effort" when I'm not allowed to? I'm doing everything I can and will even be dragging myself to church tomorrow because it's one of the only places I'm allowed to go even if I end up hating everyone there.
Well, normal people at your age would be allowed to go out on their own as adults. Either way, being “allowed” is not the issue. As it stands, you've been given explicit permission if not encouragement to get out on your own by both your mother and your father. Your mother even said you could take the car.
You don't have to go to a bar. You can also look up classes or alcohol free events. I've already told you explicitly how you can do that.