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Algeria demands reparations from France (but none from the Turks for 3 centuries of colonialism) (twitter.com)
posted 171 days ago by SophiesBoyfriend 171 days ago by SophiesBoyfriend +89 / -0
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– Ahaus667 2 points 171 days ago +2 / -0

The Berbers piracy was entirely due to the Ottomans, unless you have some documentation I’ve never seen anything that shows the slave trade and piracy exploding before the 16th century. Again you keep adding in things I never said, no one claimed it was pacified, it was repeatedly conquered by Arabs and caliphates for centuries, the tribes being allowed to exist after doesn’t mean they weren’t repeatedly conquered. The tlemcen kingdom that was greater Algiers was destroyed by the Ottoman Empire. The ottomans then took the land they wanted and let others fight over the rest.

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– horstshort 1 point 171 days ago +1 / -0

I’ve never seen anything that shows the slave trade and piracy exploding before the 16th century.

Piracy and slavery in the Mediterranean was always an issue since ancient times. Italy and the Balkans had to constantly deal with slave raids. It increased in the 16th century because Spain lost control of Algeria. The Ottomans obviously didn't have an issue with Berber pirates targeting Europeans. Why would they? They wanted to conquer Europe anyway. Privateers are a great tool to exercise pressure on your enemies.

But saying that the Ottomans made the Berbers into pirates and slavers is like saying the Europeans made Africans into slavers. Just as Africans enslaved Africans long before the Europeans started to buy African slaves and increased the demand, the Berbers engaged in piracy long before the Ottomans turned up.

Anyway we're getting offtrack. The original point was Algeria wasn't colonized by the Ottomans. That's a fact. Colonization and conquest are not interchangeable terms.

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– Ahaus667 1 point 170 days ago +1 / -0

Piracy and slavery in the Mediterranean was always an issue since ancient times. Italy and the Balkans had to constantly deal with slave raids.

Berbers were literally slaves for a long time, Rome conquered and enslaved them, then the caliphates did for centuries. They never became organized slavers or pirates until the ottomans made them so.

It increased in the 16th century because Spain lost control of Algeria.

lol no, this is complete fiction, Spain never controlled Algeria. They had a region, which they controlled the entirety of the 16th century. Look up Spanish Oran.

The Ottomans obviously didn't have an issue with Berber pirates targeting Europeans. Why would they? They wanted to conquer Europe anyway. Privateers are a great tool to exercise pressure on your enemies.

The majority of pirates were ottomans, they just operated out of Algiers.

But saying that the Ottomans made the Berbers into pirates and slavers is like saying the Europeans made Africans into slavers.

No, it’s no where near comparable, Algeria was at best a slave trade rest stop before. Spains mass expulsion in 1492 made the majority of them settle in or near Algeria because it wasn’t a massive slave capture area. The Ottomans distinctly made Algiers the slave and piracy hub of the Mediterranean. The majority of pirates operating out of Algeria were Ottomans, the Barbarossa pirates were ottoman conquerors.

Just as Africans enslaved Africans long before the Europeans started to buy African slaves and increased the demand, the Berbers engaged in piracy long before the Ottomans turned up.

Again no where near comparable. Africa already had the largest slave trade hub in the world before the Europeans showed up, kingdom sponsored, operating for centuries. Algeria was again at best a pit stop before the Ottoman empire showed up.

Anyway we're getting offtrack. The original point was Algeria wasn't colonized by the Ottomans. That's a fact. Colonization and conquest are not interchangeable terms.

The colonized 1/3 of Algeria and didn’t go more inland because there was less than zero value in it. This is like saying America didn’t colonize Arizona.

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