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We've tried everything except solving the actual problem. Why isn't the birth rate going back up? (archive.is)
posted 220 days ago by TheOutlaw 220 days ago by TheOutlaw +73 / -0
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– MargarineMongoose 25 points 220 days ago +25 / -0

If you try to take women's rights away as an individual then the government will just show up and lock you in a cage. So unless you have some practical suggestions you should probably shut up and stop glowing.

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– Sumsuch 10 points 220 days ago +10 / -0

I guess one problem that's come up with online debate is that too many of us assume that those we're talking with share a similar cultural background. For us, the "standard method" has been to groom yourself well, have polite interactions with the women you meet through your day, and when you encounter someone that you fancy, who shows signs of interest in you herself, you ask her for lunch/coffee or something similar. Then while you're there, you discuss your interests to see how closely aligned they are, and whether or not you can agree on a similar life plan. It may take longer to establish, and there's a lot of flirty interplay for those who put effort into such, but the point is to recognize that men and women do both want to live with each other, you just have to work things out so both of you are going into it with a mutual goal.

It doesn't even have to be a terribly long process if you find the right person. For both my parents and my sister, this process was actually quite quick, taking only a week or two over several meetings. We tend not to even have sex until after marriage either, because when you share that experience with only her/him you aren't always thinking of other lovers as comparisons. I've actually been celibate for over a decade now, while I work on correcting the bad habits that I picked up in my younger years, so that when I do finally find the one she'll be the only lover I have a strong memory of.

I think this is perhaps the largest area that westerners have been failing with in their role in our newly interconnected world. We've taken our own perspective for granted, despite the fact that the world we grew up in is barely existent anymore, and so we're not sharing this cultural wisdom with those who need it the most. Rather we've been getting caught up in trying to approach life from the lens of foreign cultures, and doing a poor job at that because it's all filtered through media.

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– KotakuAuction 9 points 220 days ago +9 / -0

This might have worked for boomers and gen X. Most women I meet now ask me for my Instagram and when I look at their account they have hundreds of other men talking to them and liking their photos. If I am able to take them out on a date (which rarely happens) they spew leftist bullshit out of their mouths for 30 minutes, get the "ick" when they realize I don't agree with them and then I never speak to them again. Rinse and repeat for the last 10 years. Even dating the girls at my church made my life a nightmare, because one of them made up lies about me after I rejected their offer for premarital sex. I ended up having to leave that church.

Women are a lost cause, in my opinion. Women will only be as conservative as men make them and Western governments have no desire of taking rights from women when women are easier to manipulate and spend more money.

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– userman631 8 points 220 days ago +8 / -0

For us, the "standard method" has been to groom yourself well, have polite interactions with the women you meet through your day, and when you encounter someone that you fancy, who shows signs of interest in you herself, you ask her for lunch/coffee or something similar

That doesn't work anymore at least not for the vast majority of men. Women's standards have inflated to ungodly levels.

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– Sumsuch 3 points 220 days ago +3 / -0

Have you taken a look around at many men's standards these days? Everyone's perceptions are fucked by the incessant barrage of utter nonsense that's been circulated online. If you got caught up in that as I had, step back and take some time to recover your own self before you start looking elsewhere.

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– userman631 5 points 220 days ago +5 / -0

Have you taken a look around at many men's standards these days?

My standards can't get much lower. I've given up on having a woman I am attracted to or that I can tolerate being around, all I'm focused on is her utility for breeding.

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– dbomb 6 points 220 days ago +6 / -0

I don't know how you did it. The dating market is fucked. Met massive amounts of ham planets that want 6 figure salaries or specific heights. Not a single women I have ever met actually shares more 4 things in common with me.

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– current_horror 3 points 220 days ago +3 / -0

When you ask them what they’re goals and values are, 90% of modern western women will respond with some variation of “I don’t want kids”, “I’m not sure if I want to get married”, or “I want to focus on my career”. That’s the entire point of my original comment. There isn’t some invisible mass of western women waiting for good men to step up and start a family. Western women have mostly abandoned motherhood and family.

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– Sumsuch 1 point 220 days ago +1 / -0

The women you're looking at are on the flip side of the coin, as many of the men have responded to such by abandoning their own love lives to focus on alternative goals.

Both men and women will need to meet in order to fix this, but you can't just sit around waiting for everyone else to change.

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– userman631 2 points 220 days ago +2 / -0

as many of the men have responded to such by abandoning their own love lives to focus on alternative goals.

Yeah, and I've also given up on my childhood dream of becoming God-Emperor of the universe when I realized that it probably wouldn't happen no matter how hard tried.

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