I'm no expert on this sort of relationship, but I think this breakdown is somewhat true, and somewhat false. Probably skewing more heavily toward true, though.
But the idea that the upper-middle-class (I'll use his UMC term) are pretty much opposed to drugs and vices is absurd. Both young people and career people in the UMC are still very likely to lean in to the drugs and booze, and it's not really taboo. I'm not a member of this class myself, but I've known people that are and...boy, rich kids love to party. And the stereotype of driven successful people going crazy with all sorts of drugs and degeneracy is probably a stereotype for a reason too.
The attitude is different, and the reasons are different, but both groups are likely to indulge. I agree with the family thing, though. Since it's different and probably less common in the UMC, the point this tweet is making still holds generally true.
You might be able to find that cute Applebee waitress who actually lives the kind of vice-free life...and these things are awkward first date questions...
Eh. If you're looking for a serious relationship, first date questions should be a little awkward, or at least probing. There's nothing wrong with asking how someone feels about drugs and alcohol.
That said, like I said, I do think this whole thing probably is more true than false. People date/marry within their class/social status for a reason.
But the idea that the upper-middle-class (I'll use his UMC term) are pretty much opposed to drugs and vices is absurd. Both young people and career people in the UMC are still very likely to lean in to the drugs and booze, and it's not really taboo. I'm not a member of this class myself, but I've known people that are and...boy, rich kids love to party. And the stereotype of driven successful people going crazy with all sorts of drugs and degeneracy is probably a stereotype for a reason too.
That's a good point. I would say that those types are good at turning on a degenerate persona, but also turning it off when they need to (until they can't).
One of those guys might have a one night stand with a waitress, but wouldn't date her.
And overall, UMC is somewhat less likely to do drugs, though I don't know by how much.
And the stereotype of driven successful people going crazy with all sorts of drugs and degeneracy is probably a stereotype for a reason too.
There is probably a lot of fractalization based on just how they got successful and how it correlates here.
Like, the older guy who started his own business with his brothers and just made a lot of money the "good ol' fashioned" way likely has a solid chance of being clean compared to the guys who made it off "imaginary money" like stocks or other investing who probably started a drug addiction just to stare at their line going up all night.
And both of their children who gained it through nepotism and inheritance have a much higher chance of being degenerate because they never had to develop any positive discipline skills at all. Most of our "elites" aren't 1st generation and fall into this group even if they pretend otherwise and are the source of said stereotypes even if we imagine young/middle aged dudes as it.
Absolutely. Not saying all of them are druggy degens, and I think you hit the nail on the head with the nepotism; that almost certainly plays a big part.
Yeah, it (like many things) is a U-curve. The upper class has enough stimulation in their lives, enough social support, and enough self-control that they can experiment with drugs and be fine. The middle class, on the other hand, recognizes that drug addiction is a serious threat, and rigidly avoids drugs (creating a cultural conflict between the two classes over legalization - a lot of social issues are like that). The lower class, of course, has neither the support to use responsibly nor the self-control not to use, and has accordingly been eaten alive by drug addiction.
I'm no expert on this sort of relationship, but I think this breakdown is somewhat true, and somewhat false. Probably skewing more heavily toward true, though.
But the idea that the upper-middle-class (I'll use his UMC term) are pretty much opposed to drugs and vices is absurd. Both young people and career people in the UMC are still very likely to lean in to the drugs and booze, and it's not really taboo. I'm not a member of this class myself, but I've known people that are and...boy, rich kids love to party. And the stereotype of driven successful people going crazy with all sorts of drugs and degeneracy is probably a stereotype for a reason too.
The attitude is different, and the reasons are different, but both groups are likely to indulge. I agree with the family thing, though. Since it's different and probably less common in the UMC, the point this tweet is making still holds generally true.
Eh. If you're looking for a serious relationship, first date questions should be a little awkward, or at least probing. There's nothing wrong with asking how someone feels about drugs and alcohol.
That said, like I said, I do think this whole thing probably is more true than false. People date/marry within their class/social status for a reason.
That's a good point. I would say that those types are good at turning on a degenerate persona, but also turning it off when they need to (until they can't).
One of those guys might have a one night stand with a waitress, but wouldn't date her.
And overall, UMC is somewhat less likely to do drugs, though I don't know by how much.
There is probably a lot of fractalization based on just how they got successful and how it correlates here.
Like, the older guy who started his own business with his brothers and just made a lot of money the "good ol' fashioned" way likely has a solid chance of being clean compared to the guys who made it off "imaginary money" like stocks or other investing who probably started a drug addiction just to stare at their line going up all night.
And both of their children who gained it through nepotism and inheritance have a much higher chance of being degenerate because they never had to develop any positive discipline skills at all. Most of our "elites" aren't 1st generation and fall into this group even if they pretend otherwise and are the source of said stereotypes even if we imagine young/middle aged dudes as it.
Absolutely. Not saying all of them are druggy degens, and I think you hit the nail on the head with the nepotism; that almost certainly plays a big part.
Yeah, it (like many things) is a U-curve. The upper class has enough stimulation in their lives, enough social support, and enough self-control that they can experiment with drugs and be fine. The middle class, on the other hand, recognizes that drug addiction is a serious threat, and rigidly avoids drugs (creating a cultural conflict between the two classes over legalization - a lot of social issues are like that). The lower class, of course, has neither the support to use responsibly nor the self-control not to use, and has accordingly been eaten alive by drug addiction.
Rich guys definitely want wives who won't create problems, but they also want to conserve social/biological capital. It helps that sincere feminism doesn't really exist at the top.
"Applebees" is doing a lot of work in the tweet linked in OP. Generalizing all waitresses as potheads reeks of east-/west-coaster.
I like how you imply things are much better in between. They're not.
edit: I was overgeneralizing. More like to be ketamine or X than weed