First paragraph is legendary levels of moving the goalposts. We are talking about alleged insider trading as it pertains to tariffs. I agree the TikTok shit is cucked Israel first BS but that is not what we are talking about in this comment chain.
But even if he isn't he's still enabling insider trading and not shutting that shit down
Again, based on nothing beyond simple orange man bad. The meer existence of market fluctuations at his words somehow proves insider trading to you. No basis. No proof. Just orange man bad. By this logic, I am insider trading by simply not being a retard and being able to see through his negotiating tactics.
First paragraph is legendary levels of moving the goalposts.
It's not moving the goalpost. It's circumstantial evidence. That and insider trading verifiably happening (like the massive bitcoin short 30 minutes before his announcement) is the basis for why I'm accusing him of enabling insider trading.
Again, based on nothing beyond simple orange man bad.
As I've just explained, no. Not orange man bad. Accusing Trump of being Israel first is also not based on orange man bad. It's based on him bending over backwards for Israel at every conceivable opportunity.
By this logic, I am insider trading by simply not being a retard and being able to see through his negotiating tactics.
If you short bitcoin for millions of dollars with a newly created wallet 30 minutes before Trump announces the China tariffs then yes, you're very likely guilty of insider trading.
I don't really have any reason to believe that Bitcoin short is the result of insider trading. The daily volume for BTC trade is about $100B. A whale shorting while it sits near an all time high after a huge bull run doesn't strike me as odd. This isn't as clear cut as the Peace Prize market on polymarket going to 100% for the lady who won before the official announcement.
why I'm accusing him of enabling insider trading.
There's a subtle but important sleight of hand here. "Enabling insider trading" is a meaningfully different accusation than what you initially said. Let's look at your initial comment:
At least he's putting tariffs on countries so his inner circle can make a lot of profit on insider trading before he withdraws them again.
This wording directly implies that he is engaging in the negotiating style he is simply for the purpose of facilitating insider trading in his inner circle.
The claim that he is "enabling" it with his words and actions is a lot more defensible, but also not really a grave accusation. The whiplash style of deal making he engages in naturally brings about a sort of environment that is ripe for insider trading, so in that sense you could say it enables it. But it's a bit of a vacuous accusation because the only way to 100% avoid that is to forsake that style of negotiation altogether. Of course, cutting down on the number of people who know about this stuff before it hits to a select handful is another potential method, but I'm not sure I would want that; I would rather all the economy-oriented minds get on the same page ahead of big moves like that.
I would love to have much more strict controls on those involved in government using insider info and/or extremely harsh punishments for those proven to have done so, but in the absence of that, I personally still wouldn't prefer to deprive ourselves of this method of negotiating trade deals just so redditors and people like yourself won't whine about potential insider trading.
Accusing Trump of being Israel first is also not based on orange man bad. It's based on him bending over backwards for Israel at every conceivable opportunity.
Again, not the topic at hand. I agree with you here.
There's a subtle but important sleight of hand here. "Enabling insider trading" is a meaningfully different accusation than what you initially said. Let's look at your initial comment:
For fucks sake I already stated openly that I do believe he is doing it intentionally.
Let me quote it for you:
Yeah, I think he'll be more than willing to negotiate publicly when he doesn't have to just to manipulate the market so the very friends he's already bending over backwards for can profit from it.
But even if he isn't he's still enabling insider trading and not shutting that shit down. That is corruption. Whether you like it or not and giving him a pass for it is cuck behavior.
Of course I don't have hard evidence for my accusation just as I don't have hard evidence for Trump being a paid, bribed or blackmailed pawn of Israel.
So please stop psychoanalyzing me like a retard. I'm neither moving the goalpost nor trying to pull a fast one on you.
Sometimes I like to talk to try to get to the bottom of something, but I'm hearing you loud and clear: if it sounds like baseless reddit-tier retardation on the surface, it probably is. No sense wasting both of our time.
I don't even necessarily require hard proof to believe something, I just would here because the circumstantial evidence is so weak and the competing explanations are much more reasonable. I could much more easily believe him to be blackmailed by Israel without hard proof because the surrounding evidence is so much stronger. In this case, it just looks like mental gymnastics to look at orange man's normal way of doing things and put a negative spin on it.
First paragraph is legendary levels of moving the goalposts. We are talking about alleged insider trading as it pertains to tariffs. I agree the TikTok shit is cucked Israel first BS but that is not what we are talking about in this comment chain.
Again, based on nothing beyond simple orange man bad. The meer existence of market fluctuations at his words somehow proves insider trading to you. No basis. No proof. Just orange man bad. By this logic, I am insider trading by simply not being a retard and being able to see through his negotiating tactics.
It's not moving the goalpost. It's circumstantial evidence. That and insider trading verifiably happening (like the massive bitcoin short 30 minutes before his announcement) is the basis for why I'm accusing him of enabling insider trading.
As I've just explained, no. Not orange man bad. Accusing Trump of being Israel first is also not based on orange man bad. It's based on him bending over backwards for Israel at every conceivable opportunity.
If you short bitcoin for millions of dollars with a newly created wallet 30 minutes before Trump announces the China tariffs then yes, you're very likely guilty of insider trading.
I don't really have any reason to believe that Bitcoin short is the result of insider trading. The daily volume for BTC trade is about $100B. A whale shorting while it sits near an all time high after a huge bull run doesn't strike me as odd. This isn't as clear cut as the Peace Prize market on polymarket going to 100% for the lady who won before the official announcement.
There's a subtle but important sleight of hand here. "Enabling insider trading" is a meaningfully different accusation than what you initially said. Let's look at your initial comment:
This wording directly implies that he is engaging in the negotiating style he is simply for the purpose of facilitating insider trading in his inner circle.
The claim that he is "enabling" it with his words and actions is a lot more defensible, but also not really a grave accusation. The whiplash style of deal making he engages in naturally brings about a sort of environment that is ripe for insider trading, so in that sense you could say it enables it. But it's a bit of a vacuous accusation because the only way to 100% avoid that is to forsake that style of negotiation altogether. Of course, cutting down on the number of people who know about this stuff before it hits to a select handful is another potential method, but I'm not sure I would want that; I would rather all the economy-oriented minds get on the same page ahead of big moves like that.
I would love to have much more strict controls on those involved in government using insider info and/or extremely harsh punishments for those proven to have done so, but in the absence of that, I personally still wouldn't prefer to deprive ourselves of this method of negotiating trade deals just so redditors and people like yourself won't whine about potential insider trading.
Again, not the topic at hand. I agree with you here.
For fucks sake I already stated openly that I do believe he is doing it intentionally.
Let me quote it for you:
Of course I don't have hard evidence for my accusation just as I don't have hard evidence for Trump being a paid, bribed or blackmailed pawn of Israel.
So please stop psychoanalyzing me like a retard. I'm neither moving the goalpost nor trying to pull a fast one on you.
Sometimes I like to talk to try to get to the bottom of something, but I'm hearing you loud and clear: if it sounds like baseless reddit-tier retardation on the surface, it probably is. No sense wasting both of our time.
I don't even necessarily require hard proof to believe something, I just would here because the circumstantial evidence is so weak and the competing explanations are much more reasonable. I could much more easily believe him to be blackmailed by Israel without hard proof because the surrounding evidence is so much stronger. In this case, it just looks like mental gymnastics to look at orange man's normal way of doing things and put a negative spin on it.