That comment about focusing up was a bit rude so I apologize for that.
But I didn’t put any words in your mouth or reference things you didn’t say. You only referenced oct 7 and other Hamas attacks which are also the only things I said.
Yes, Hamas is bad and oct 7th was a false flag. Both things can be true
I was using ridiculous "conspiracy theory" (not real, afaik!) examples to illustrate that he (and you too, apparently) believe some crazy stuff. Hamas and the other groups before them are the proxy armies of Iran. Why would the IDF create and fund them? That's far-out thinking.
It may be "possible" that the IDF "knew it was coming" like the CIA knew 9/11 was (and held a "safety exercise" that day by sheer coincidence) & "allowed it to happen"? Like when the British allowed the Lusitania to get sunk, hoping a "civilian" liner (it was loaded with war munitions) would drag America into the war. Then called it a conspiracy theory for 70+ years...
But I doubt it.
Thanks for the apology, I hope I've managed to be polite too. Cheers!
Well we should at least agree on what the facts are
These are all stories I read from mainstream Israeli sources
Israel has one of the most secured, monitored and heavily defended borders in the world with constant surveillance, troops/equipment on standby 24/7, literal civilians that walk around with machine guns constantly in case of an attack.
Israel had intercepted plans about Hamas’ upcoming attack 1 year in advance.
Israel got multiple reports from their intelligence and troops about the buildup of Hamas forces and equipment in the weeks and days leading up to the attack.
Israel moved troops away from that part of the border 1-3 days before the attack leaving it relatively undefended.
Israel has a military response time in minutes to anywhere in the country and took hours to respond to this attack.
Before the attack there were massive protests involving hundreds of thousands of Israeli’s calling for Netanyahu to resign and for judicial reform which went away once they were at war.
Shoot, there a a few more that I can’t remember right of the top of my head at the moment but that all adds up to be pretty damning imo
How did Hamas get across so easily? Israel had "opened the Gaza border," in that area at least, under the cease-fire at the time, letting more workers cross easily into Israel than there had been for a decade. Some of these were in fact Hamas scouts, mapping out defenses and locations.
Hamas attacked the army fortifications first, shortly before hitting the civilians. Also it was a high holiday with the lowest manpower on duty.
Not all of the border has concrete barriers & Hamas used construction equipment to smash down gates & wire fencing.
It started at (iirc) 5am? Few civilians were awake at that time. Hamas came in & caused chaos, making it difficult for civilians to get to the shelters.
A lot of people living at the border are (were) very sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, they neglected their defenses & were comparatively unarmed. They were targeted for being weak, not spared for their allegiance.
Hamas "plans" dozens if not hundreds of attacks all the time. Not all are carried out.
There's always protests in Israel. It's a free country after all. People are free to demand the destruction of their own nation & capitulation to Islam. :/
Yes, I agree the response time does seem very slow, but chaos often causes that.
That comment about focusing up was a bit rude so I apologize for that.
But I didn’t put any words in your mouth or reference things you didn’t say. You only referenced oct 7 and other Hamas attacks which are also the only things I said.
Yes, Hamas is bad and oct 7th was a false flag. Both things can be true
Don't apologize to people who are being deliberately obtuse or arguing in bad faith.
Best thing to do is just ignore them, but if not, just treat them like a garden variety troll.
I was using ridiculous "conspiracy theory" (not real, afaik!) examples to illustrate that he (and you too, apparently) believe some crazy stuff. Hamas and the other groups before them are the proxy armies of Iran. Why would the IDF create and fund them? That's far-out thinking.
It may be "possible" that the IDF "knew it was coming" like the CIA knew 9/11 was (and held a "safety exercise" that day by sheer coincidence) & "allowed it to happen"? Like when the British allowed the Lusitania to get sunk, hoping a "civilian" liner (it was loaded with war munitions) would drag America into the war. Then called it a conspiracy theory for 70+ years...
But I doubt it.
Thanks for the apology, I hope I've managed to be polite too. Cheers!
Gotcha thanks.
Well we should at least agree on what the facts are
These are all stories I read from mainstream Israeli sources
Israel has one of the most secured, monitored and heavily defended borders in the world with constant surveillance, troops/equipment on standby 24/7, literal civilians that walk around with machine guns constantly in case of an attack.
Israel had intercepted plans about Hamas’ upcoming attack 1 year in advance.
Israel got multiple reports from their intelligence and troops about the buildup of Hamas forces and equipment in the weeks and days leading up to the attack.
Israel moved troops away from that part of the border 1-3 days before the attack leaving it relatively undefended.
Israel has a military response time in minutes to anywhere in the country and took hours to respond to this attack.
Before the attack there were massive protests involving hundreds of thousands of Israeli’s calling for Netanyahu to resign and for judicial reform which went away once they were at war.
Shoot, there a a few more that I can’t remember right of the top of my head at the moment but that all adds up to be pretty damning imo
How did Hamas get across so easily? Israel had "opened the Gaza border," in that area at least, under the cease-fire at the time, letting more workers cross easily into Israel than there had been for a decade. Some of these were in fact Hamas scouts, mapping out defenses and locations.
Hamas attacked the army fortifications first, shortly before hitting the civilians. Also it was a high holiday with the lowest manpower on duty.
Not all of the border has concrete barriers & Hamas used construction equipment to smash down gates & wire fencing.
It started at (iirc) 5am? Few civilians were awake at that time. Hamas came in & caused chaos, making it difficult for civilians to get to the shelters.
A lot of people living at the border are (were) very sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, they neglected their defenses & were comparatively unarmed. They were targeted for being weak, not spared for their allegiance.
Hamas "plans" dozens if not hundreds of attacks all the time. Not all are carried out.
There's always protests in Israel. It's a free country after all. People are free to demand the destruction of their own nation & capitulation to Islam. :/
Yes, I agree the response time does seem very slow, but chaos often causes that.