I don't think it's hyperbole to say he was going to save America... from falling off a cliff. That much is true. But bringing about a true American restoration is a different goal entirely.
Right, but you see it in a lot of doomerism and overly MAGA types, where they treat him as an "all or nothing" savior whose every misstep is a sign that its all failed and everything was a lie.
On a long enough timeline I think we can say he "saved" it by reversing some courses and getting some balls rolling, but in the right now it'll feel like barely anything.
I don't agree that it feels like barely anything, we're making massive cultural progress, and we're getting real policy changes in a lot of ways.
Nothing is smooth, and we aren't winning on every front, but that's because we're fighting against every major western institution that exists, and most of the Republican establishment, and nearly all of congress.
I'm offering the perspective of other people. I am in agreement with you on these things, but its a common repeated position they are taking and its important to understand why they think these types of logical traps.
I don't think it's hyperbole to say he was going to save America... from falling off a cliff. That much is true. But bringing about a true American restoration is a different goal entirely.
Right, but you see it in a lot of doomerism and overly MAGA types, where they treat him as an "all or nothing" savior whose every misstep is a sign that its all failed and everything was a lie.
On a long enough timeline I think we can say he "saved" it by reversing some courses and getting some balls rolling, but in the right now it'll feel like barely anything.
I don't agree that it feels like barely anything, we're making massive cultural progress, and we're getting real policy changes in a lot of ways.
Nothing is smooth, and we aren't winning on every front, but that's because we're fighting against every major western institution that exists, and most of the Republican establishment, and nearly all of congress.
We're punching above our weight.
I'm offering the perspective of other people. I am in agreement with you on these things, but its a common repeated position they are taking and its important to understand why they think these types of logical traps.
I don't feel like we were arguing. I thought you were making good points.