Yep, that is where a lot of things are heading. The right can weaponize the duplicity of people like Macron by calling out their bullshit. A Zionist right isn't going to do that, though. There's a hidden opportunity cost that comes with Zionism in situations like this.
they're tarring opposition to genocide with their woke crap
This is generally true. It's a point that doomernat made in his debate with Medi Hassan on Jubilee a while back. We can use the left's obnoxious woke shit against them here. Sincere nationalism in Western countries is better for Palestine than these woke shit heads. Sincere is an important word. It can't be some Zionist gayop.
Yep, that is where a lot of things are heading. The right can weaponize the duplicity of people like Macron by calling out their bullshit. A Zionist right isn't going to do that, though. There's a hidden opportunity cost that comes with Zionism in situations like this.
I'm not as optimistic, or maybe pessimistic, as you are here. I don't think it will make a difference. Still, the fact that 'the right' is attacking Macron for a completely meaningless symbolic gesture of recognition, and not for shooting down missiles retaliating for Israel's unprovoked war on Iran is wild.
You can be a zionist while still opposing that. You don't have to be a lunatic.
Sincere nationalism in Western countries is better for Palestine than these woke shit heads. Sincere is an important word. It can't be some Zionist gayop.
I think you overestimate the extent to which support for Israel among European populists is a 'gayop'. It's just "Israel fighting Muslims, Muslims bad". And they are bad, of course, but Israel's actions do us no good.
I am optimistic, actually. Public opinion is going pretty well. We just need better political movements to come out of it.
It's a gayop. There is no war between Israel and "Muslims." Countries like France are part of a coalition that includes Israel, other Western countries, and Muslim countries like Jordan and Saudi Arabia. The framing of "Israel vs. Muslims" is entirely fake, and people actually in politics, running parties and running for office, have no excuse for not knowing that. Being pro-Israel as a European, anti-immigration right-winger is especially unforgiveable given Israel's repeated advocacy of dumping Muslims in Europe.
Some of their major figures are also just proven gayops. Tommy Robinson for instance, is funded by Zionist Jews and does photo ops with the IDF.
I am optimistic, actually. Public opinion is going pretty well. We just need better political movements to come out of it.
Public opinion has been 80/20 against immigration for decades. Yet we keep getting deluged. That's why I think that public opinion doesn't matter at all.
The framing of "Israel vs. Muslims" is entirely fake
Whether you think it's fake, they believe it. I think you're partly right in that they only fight Muslims when it's in their interests. If the Muslims would just leave for South Sudan (or Europe), it's fine by them. But of course, it's also partly true that Israel is the number one Muslim enemy in the world. Countries like Saudi, UAE and Egypt are not serious countries, they are American vassals.
Being pro-Israel as a European, anti-immigration right-winger is especially unforgiveable given Israel's repeated advocacy of dumping Muslims in Europe.
They don't know about that. And the reason I think Israel won't want that, is because support for Israel will sink to literal 0.
Some of their major figures are also just proven gayops. Tommy Robinson for instance, is funded by Zionist Jews and does photo ops with the IDF.
Why should it be unreasonable for someone who has made opposition to Isalm his number 1 issue to admire an army that deals with them rather firmly?
If you're labeling him as an op as a means of polemic, sure. But if you actually believe that, then you're wrong about it. It's the opinion of nearly everyone among the populist right in Europe (activists, not voters who tend to be anti-war and anti-killing).
Public opinion has been 80/20 against immigration for decades.
But it wasn't coupled with anti-Israel sentiment before. Now, there is a bigger chance to do that. It's never going to work when it's pro-Israel, least of all in Europe.
And the reason I think Israel won't want that, is because support for Israel will sink to literal 0.
Will it? You're explaining right here in this thread how the backlash against Muslim migrants has been weaponized to drum up support for Israel.
Robinson doesn't just admire their army. He is bank rolled by Robert Shillman and works with Ezra Levant. He's also said he'd welcome all the women in Saudi Arabia (lol). Think about it. The guy does demonstrations waving around an Israeli flag despite his motivations supposedly being a nationalist sentiment for his own country. It's not even subtle.
Yep, that is where a lot of things are heading. The right can weaponize the duplicity of people like Macron by calling out their bullshit. A Zionist right isn't going to do that, though. There's a hidden opportunity cost that comes with Zionism in situations like this.
This is generally true. It's a point that doomernat made in his debate with Medi Hassan on Jubilee a while back. We can use the left's obnoxious woke shit against them here. Sincere nationalism in Western countries is better for Palestine than these woke shit heads. Sincere is an important word. It can't be some Zionist gayop.
I'm not as optimistic, or maybe pessimistic, as you are here. I don't think it will make a difference. Still, the fact that 'the right' is attacking Macron for a completely meaningless symbolic gesture of recognition, and not for shooting down missiles retaliating for Israel's unprovoked war on Iran is wild.
You can be a zionist while still opposing that. You don't have to be a lunatic.
I think you overestimate the extent to which support for Israel among European populists is a 'gayop'. It's just "Israel fighting Muslims, Muslims bad". And they are bad, of course, but Israel's actions do us no good.
I am optimistic, actually. Public opinion is going pretty well. We just need better political movements to come out of it.
It's a gayop. There is no war between Israel and "Muslims." Countries like France are part of a coalition that includes Israel, other Western countries, and Muslim countries like Jordan and Saudi Arabia. The framing of "Israel vs. Muslims" is entirely fake, and people actually in politics, running parties and running for office, have no excuse for not knowing that. Being pro-Israel as a European, anti-immigration right-winger is especially unforgiveable given Israel's repeated advocacy of dumping Muslims in Europe.
Some of their major figures are also just proven gayops. Tommy Robinson for instance, is funded by Zionist Jews and does photo ops with the IDF.
Public opinion has been 80/20 against immigration for decades. Yet we keep getting deluged. That's why I think that public opinion doesn't matter at all.
Whether you think it's fake, they believe it. I think you're partly right in that they only fight Muslims when it's in their interests. If the Muslims would just leave for South Sudan (or Europe), it's fine by them. But of course, it's also partly true that Israel is the number one Muslim enemy in the world. Countries like Saudi, UAE and Egypt are not serious countries, they are American vassals.
They don't know about that. And the reason I think Israel won't want that, is because support for Israel will sink to literal 0.
Why should it be unreasonable for someone who has made opposition to Isalm his number 1 issue to admire an army that deals with them rather firmly?
If you're labeling him as an op as a means of polemic, sure. But if you actually believe that, then you're wrong about it. It's the opinion of nearly everyone among the populist right in Europe (activists, not voters who tend to be anti-war and anti-killing).
But it wasn't coupled with anti-Israel sentiment before. Now, there is a bigger chance to do that. It's never going to work when it's pro-Israel, least of all in Europe.
Will it? You're explaining right here in this thread how the backlash against Muslim migrants has been weaponized to drum up support for Israel.
Robinson doesn't just admire their army. He is bank rolled by Robert Shillman and works with Ezra Levant. He's also said he'd welcome all the women in Saudi Arabia (lol). Think about it. The guy does demonstrations waving around an Israeli flag despite his motivations supposedly being a nationalist sentiment for his own country. It's not even subtle.