AAARG, it's the loli argument again. I hate this shit, because both sides are varying levels of retarded.
I will say, it's clearly not "child sex abuse material." Because my first thought was "I'd like to see what they're talking about, so I can judge for myself." If it involved actual children, my first thought would have been "woodchipper, woodchipper, woodchipper."
I don't like the shit, but there's such a wide range from "ew, brother, ewwwww, what is that?!" to "wait, what, these authorities are retarded jackboots, that's fucking nothing, what in the fuck?!"
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?
You can probably find stuff that would qualify as CSAM under some of these retarded laws on mainstream normie sites like Cruchyroll. Say what you want about Chrunchyroll, they're not fucking hosting child porn.
So, again, what are we talking about here?
Child Trafficking and Pornography Act
Show me the victim, and we can feed this guy into the aforementioned device.
Also, I'll cede some middle ground. Go after the weebs with loli shit...after anyone connected to Epstein goes down. I'll wait.
EDIT: "Posted zero minutes ago, +1/-1." That's the other thing I hate about the discussion. EVERYONE throws a hissy fit. I don't know if I got insta-downvoted for not being harsh enough regarding lolis, or too harsh. LOL.
Yeah, this is about right, I think. Loli stuff is extremely distasteful, and I’m… suspicious… of anyone that likes actual sexual drawings of the more blatant lolis. They’re pretty clearly not just normal women with unusually flat chests. On the other hand, there are no children being abused, and some people call everything that isn’t a middle aged woman a loli.
and some people call everything that isn’t a middle aged woman a loli.
My favorite is when they call anime women with GIANT FUCKING TITS lolis and, even when called out, refuse to back down. "That grown-ass fictional woman with the huge milkers is clearly and definitely a loli." (EDIT: "And lolis are also literal children. That buxom anime adult character is a HUMAN CHILD!")
This guy would be a dipshit or travelling internationally with any kind of printed pornography, but who knows if this is even actually porn or actually a child. Juries often aren't even allowed to see it, the rely on "expert witnesses".
I remember looking at those maps of sex offenders. Actual rapist of a child less than five was convicted and already out 9 months later on the map, no idea how long served. Seen convictions of people who produced child porn who served no time.
People who have possession of child porn who get multiple years.
Now this crap with something an "expert witness", as though being an expert on whether a cartoon is a child or not is even possible, claims looks like a child and looks like abuse.
The punishments seem inversely proportional to how much the perpetrator actually abused a child.
Almost like the system is meant to protect child abusers as much as possible while throwing scraps to the masses to say they are doing something about it.
This guy would be a dipshit or travelling internationally with any kind of printed pornography, but who knows if this is even actually porn or actually a child.
Considering they're saying "anime," I'd bet, at any odds demanded, that it did not involve an actual child.
I'm also assuming it wasn't physical, but you never know.
anime images of child sexual abuse.
Unless you've got some 1-1 tracing of real events going on, this is a straight up contradiction in terms. Animes are not children, or even human.
Juries often aren't even allowed to see it, the rely on "expert witnesses".
That's fucking evil, man. Imagine getting convicted because some expert said you possessed CSAM for watching a fucking anime. We're not quite there, yet, as far as I know, but it gets closer and closer. I won't be shocked if and when it does happen. Probably in Australia, Canada, or the UK, but possibly even in America.
Actual rapist of a child less than five was convicted and already out 9 months later on the map, no idea how long served. Seen convictions of people who produced child porn who served no time...People who have possession of child porn who get multiple years.
It's wild how lenient the system is on the worst criminals, while they go hard on the people they know can't fight back...often literal retards. Both the possessors and abusers should rot, but it's still atrocious that they go after the lowest hanging fruit, with the lowest IQ, while letting the most dangerous and pernicious abusers run free. Anarcho-tyranny.
The punishments seem inversely proportional to how much the perpetrator actually abused a child.
Considering they're saying "anime," I'd bet, at any odds demanded, that it did not involve an actual child.
I meant not even a cartoon of a child, but them just subjectively saying it looked like one.
We're not quite there, yet, as far as I know, but it gets closer and closer.
Texas passed a law recently on this matter that probably makes possessing certain chapters Bleach and Dragonball a felony, because of a single panel where Ichigo looks like he might be sleeping with his hand on his crotch. And in an early chapter of Dragonball, Goku, (then still a child recently rescued from living alone, or with his adopted Grandpa,in the forest for his entire life) is told that men and women differ from each other in the groin, and he pats someone on the groin to tell which one they are before being chastised for it.
while they go hard on the people they know can't fight back
In this case the guy looked like a crackhead. And it wasn't overturned like the recent zombie looking guy, because it said he was convicted and sentence served. Law schools seem to churn out people who sympathize with rapists more than the average normal person for some reason. Never quite figured it out, but it seemed to start in the 50s. Before the 70s when the supreme courts moratorium on the death penalty, many states had the death penalty for both adult and child rape. When the death penalty was taken of the table, for some reason instead of going to life sentences they went to relatively soft sentences.
To be honest, the laws that exist in Western countries regarding this particular aspect of Japanese "art" is our tried-and-tested "we make this bullshit up as we go along to make sure you get in trouble and we don't and you can't do shit because we hold all the power lololol".
To me, the law should be as thus:
Anything 2D is considered drawn art, regardless of how tasteless or pornographic, and protected UNLESS it implies the abuse of a real, living individual. Otherwise Steve-O should have been arrested for his "ostrich" tattoo.
Anything 3D but non-naked UNLESS sexual acts are DIRECTLY implied in the photos/footage should be considered regular photogtaphy and likewise protected unless the model objected to her treatment at a later date or they were abused/murdered (not going to name the specific sites certain images originated from but 8ch used to be raided by it like a fucking plague). Otherwise, the perverts who take creepshots will get punished if they ever take a photo of someone they thought was an adult and it turns out they weren't. They're fucking losers, sure, but not pedos.
Anything 3D and naked? Illegal to own, jail time if found in possession. Ditto anything clothed where a sexual act is directly implied.
Paying for or aiding in the production of real child exploitation? Life imprisonment, with a mandatory hour of gen pop every week to see how long you can survive.
Actively producing CSAM or trafficking kids? Automatic death sentence, no matter where you are in the world.
Fucking or otherwise sexually abusing kids? Woodchipper AS A FUCKING P.
AAARG, it's the loli argument again. I hate this shit, because both sides are varying levels of retarded.
I will say, it's clearly not "child sex abuse material." Because my first thought was "I'd like to see what they're talking about, so I can judge for myself." If it involved actual children, my first thought would have been "woodchipper, woodchipper, woodchipper."
I don't like the shit, but there's such a wide range from "ew, brother, ewwwww, what is that?!" to "wait, what, these authorities are retarded jackboots, that's fucking nothing, what in the fuck?!"
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?
You can probably find stuff that would qualify as CSAM under some of these retarded laws on mainstream normie sites like Cruchyroll. Say what you want about Chrunchyroll, they're not fucking hosting child porn.
So, again, what are we talking about here?
Show me the victim, and we can feed this guy into the aforementioned device.
Also, I'll cede some middle ground. Go after the weebs with loli shit...after anyone connected to Epstein goes down. I'll wait.
EDIT: "Posted zero minutes ago, +1/-1." That's the other thing I hate about the discussion. EVERYONE throws a hissy fit. I don't know if I got insta-downvoted for not being harsh enough regarding lolis, or too harsh. LOL.
Yeah, this is about right, I think. Loli stuff is extremely distasteful, and I’m… suspicious… of anyone that likes actual sexual drawings of the more blatant lolis. They’re pretty clearly not just normal women with unusually flat chests. On the other hand, there are no children being abused, and some people call everything that isn’t a middle aged woman a loli.
My favorite is when they call anime women with GIANT FUCKING TITS lolis and, even when called out, refuse to back down. "That grown-ass fictional woman with the huge milkers is clearly and definitely a loli." (EDIT: "And lolis are also literal children. That buxom anime adult character is a HUMAN CHILD!")
Stop it, get some help.
This guy would be a dipshit or travelling internationally with any kind of printed pornography, but who knows if this is even actually porn or actually a child. Juries often aren't even allowed to see it, the rely on "expert witnesses".
I remember looking at those maps of sex offenders. Actual rapist of a child less than five was convicted and already out 9 months later on the map, no idea how long served. Seen convictions of people who produced child porn who served no time.
See Ferris Bueller principal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Jones
People who have possession of child porn who get multiple years.
Now this crap with something an "expert witness", as though being an expert on whether a cartoon is a child or not is even possible, claims looks like a child and looks like abuse.
The punishments seem inversely proportional to how much the perpetrator actually abused a child.
Almost like the system is meant to protect child abusers as much as possible while throwing scraps to the masses to say they are doing something about it.
Considering they're saying "anime," I'd bet, at any odds demanded, that it did not involve an actual child.
I'm also assuming it wasn't physical, but you never know.
Unless you've got some 1-1 tracing of real events going on, this is a straight up contradiction in terms. Animes are not children, or even human.
That's fucking evil, man. Imagine getting convicted because some expert said you possessed CSAM for watching a fucking anime. We're not quite there, yet, as far as I know, but it gets closer and closer. I won't be shocked if and when it does happen. Probably in Australia, Canada, or the UK, but possibly even in America.
It's wild how lenient the system is on the worst criminals, while they go hard on the people they know can't fight back...often literal retards. Both the possessors and abusers should rot, but it's still atrocious that they go after the lowest hanging fruit, with the lowest IQ, while letting the most dangerous and pernicious abusers run free. Anarcho-tyranny.
It does seem that way sometimes.
I meant not even a cartoon of a child, but them just subjectively saying it looked like one.
Texas passed a law recently on this matter that probably makes possessing certain chapters Bleach and Dragonball a felony, because of a single panel where Ichigo looks like he might be sleeping with his hand on his crotch. And in an early chapter of Dragonball, Goku, (then still a child recently rescued from living alone, or with his adopted Grandpa,in the forest for his entire life) is told that men and women differ from each other in the groin, and he pats someone on the groin to tell which one they are before being chastised for it.
In this case the guy looked like a crackhead. And it wasn't overturned like the recent zombie looking guy, because it said he was convicted and sentence served. Law schools seem to churn out people who sympathize with rapists more than the average normal person for some reason. Never quite figured it out, but it seemed to start in the 50s. Before the 70s when the supreme courts moratorium on the death penalty, many states had the death penalty for both adult and child rape. When the death penalty was taken of the table, for some reason instead of going to life sentences they went to relatively soft sentences.
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aMeRiCaIsReAl FiRsT!To be honest, the laws that exist in Western countries regarding this particular aspect of Japanese "art" is our tried-and-tested "we make this bullshit up as we go along to make sure you get in trouble and we don't and you can't do shit because we hold all the power lololol".
To me, the law should be as thus:
Anything 2D is considered drawn art, regardless of how tasteless or pornographic, and protected UNLESS it implies the abuse of a real, living individual. Otherwise Steve-O should have been arrested for his "ostrich" tattoo.
Anything 3D but non-naked UNLESS sexual acts are DIRECTLY implied in the photos/footage should be considered regular photogtaphy and likewise protected unless the model objected to her treatment at a later date or they were abused/murdered (not going to name the specific sites certain images originated from but 8ch used to be raided by it like a fucking plague). Otherwise, the perverts who take creepshots will get punished if they ever take a photo of someone they thought was an adult and it turns out they weren't. They're fucking losers, sure, but not pedos.
Anything 3D and naked? Illegal to own, jail time if found in possession. Ditto anything clothed where a sexual act is directly implied.
Paying for or aiding in the production of real child exploitation? Life imprisonment, with a mandatory hour of gen pop every week to see how long you can survive.
Actively producing CSAM or trafficking kids? Automatic death sentence, no matter where you are in the world.
Fucking or otherwise sexually abusing kids? Woodchipper AS A FUCKING P.