Jews are people born or naturalized into the family of Judah and his brothers. Pretty simple. The family as a group monitors itself.
Though there are edge cases, they do not extend to the general claim that e.g. (pick your favorite) all Ashkenazim are not Jews. The fact is that Ashkenazim have been accepted by (basically) all Jews as Jews since they became a subtribe. There's no edge-case status about that.
The burden is on you to show something historical, like the merger of two peoples somehow causing the loss of rights to continue using the name of one of those two peoples (which has never happened AFAIK).
However, there has never been a right for outsiders to name groups maliciously against the groups' preferences. For instance, some whites reject the right of Jews to define the term "white".
This comment was pretty well complete but unposted when I dealt with a minor family emergency, so it will have to do for now. Thank you for the civilized discussion.
You seem to be disappointed that I wrote 200 words to frame a useful historical document I posted without putting more than a "---" to indicate where the document began (to those who couldn't tell it was a document); that's the main reference I understand your comments to mean.
If you mean all my comments taken together, you raised many issues. The one sentence necessary to the issue in this comment is what most people understand: Though unimportant outliers exist, Jewishness is defined by birth or naturalization into the self-maintained Jewish people historically descended from Judah and his brothers.
No, im disappointed that the savior of mankind, in the book most oriented towards “the future”, tells us about “them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie”, and you can’t see the forest in front of you because you’ve smashed your face into the tree named “ulla”
You love to preach the multiple meanings folded into Jesus’ words…well, except when it comes to anything related to the genocidal state of israel
Yes, when someone claims to be a Jew, Jesus warns that it's an important claim to verify. I've provided evidence that the verification is sufficient for ordinary standards (you make extraordinary claims). I've alluded to the Ashkenazi I knew who pointed out his tribe had less claim on Judaism than many African tribal Sabbatarians, solely because of the Khazar ingrafting. If you want to get specific about any evidence I should consider about what I'm not seeing about continuity of Judah/Jewry, I'm still waiting. But words like "genocidal" I counsel journalistic patience about.
Jews are people born or naturalized into the family of Judah and his brothers. Pretty simple. The family as a group monitors itself.
Though there are edge cases, they do not extend to the general claim that e.g. (pick your favorite) all Ashkenazim are not Jews. The fact is that Ashkenazim have been accepted by (basically) all Jews as Jews since they became a subtribe. There's no edge-case status about that.
The burden is on you to show something historical, like the merger of two peoples somehow causing the loss of rights to continue using the name of one of those two peoples (which has never happened AFAIK).
However, there has never been a right for outsiders to name groups maliciously against the groups' preferences. For instance, some whites reject the right of Jews to define the term "white".
This comment was pretty well complete but unposted when I dealt with a minor family emergency, so it will have to do for now. Thank you for the civilized discussion.
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You seem to be disappointed that I wrote 200 words to frame a useful historical document I posted without putting more than a "---" to indicate where the document began (to those who couldn't tell it was a document); that's the main reference I understand your comments to mean.
If you mean all my comments taken together, you raised many issues. The one sentence necessary to the issue in this comment is what most people understand: Though unimportant outliers exist, Jewishness is defined by birth or naturalization into the self-maintained Jewish people historically descended from Judah and his brothers.
No, im disappointed that the savior of mankind, in the book most oriented towards “the future”, tells us about “them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie”, and you can’t see the forest in front of you because you’ve smashed your face into the tree named “ulla”
You love to preach the multiple meanings folded into Jesus’ words…well, except when it comes to anything related to the genocidal state of israel
Yes, when someone claims to be a Jew, Jesus warns that it's an important claim to verify. I've provided evidence that the verification is sufficient for ordinary standards (you make extraordinary claims). I've alluded to the Ashkenazi I knew who pointed out his tribe had less claim on Judaism than many African tribal Sabbatarians, solely because of the Khazar ingrafting. If you want to get specific about any evidence I should consider about what I'm not seeing about continuity of Judah/Jewry, I'm still waiting. But words like "genocidal" I counsel journalistic patience about.