meaning, in a society where christianity reigns supreme, the church decides who gets punished and who must atone. If the church is corrupt (governing institutions always are), then immoral deeds go unpunished.
Meanwhile Romans seems to be only concerned about faith in god. Theoretically, you could be a serial killer who targets non-christians, and your love of God would keep your spirit safe.
based on all the things I've witnessed to make me believe in God, that is not how God operates.
The Commandments in the Bible has "Do Not Murder" pretty front and center. A sinner, yes, even a murderer, must stop sinning to receive forgiveness. On earth, with humans, that forgiveness is manifest in the ability to participate in the community rather than be incarcerated or killed.
You seem to mostly be mad that God isn't showing up to solve the problems of Justice and Punishment.
We left that behind when we (humans) were thrown out of The Garden. Now we are, for better or worse, masters of our own fate. With meaningful decision comes the benefits of all of the positive and negative outcomes.
God stepped back after the Great Flood. If you want justice, then go and get it. Build a community in which Justice is a supreme value. People have built new, better communities all the time. You want less corruption? Run for office. Trump did, and his team has uncovered vast corruption and they are setting out to address it. Things can be improved.
Don't blame God for not solving your problems. Our mortal understanding of God is our personification of an infinite universe and all that goes with that. We don't want a universe that makes choice literally impossible. It isn't better.
and the church decides what constitutes as "murder". history is filled with churches declaring killing in the name of The Lord as not murder and therefore not sin. oftentimes this coincides with a war that the church wants to be fought.
You seem to mostly be mad that God isn't showing up to solve the problems of Justice and Punishment
not remotely my position. I'm simply pointing out how the bible, as compiled by the Romans, does not compel people to be good to each other. it instead compels people to worship God, which gives incredible power to the institution that claims to represent God (the church).
meaning, in a society where christianity reigns supreme, the church decides who gets punished and who must atone. If the church is corrupt (governing institutions always are), then immoral deeds go unpunished.
Meanwhile Romans seems to be only concerned about faith in god. Theoretically, you could be a serial killer who targets non-christians, and your love of God would keep your spirit safe.
based on all the things I've witnessed to make me believe in God, that is not how God operates.
The Commandments in the Bible has "Do Not Murder" pretty front and center. A sinner, yes, even a murderer, must stop sinning to receive forgiveness. On earth, with humans, that forgiveness is manifest in the ability to participate in the community rather than be incarcerated or killed.
You seem to mostly be mad that God isn't showing up to solve the problems of Justice and Punishment.
We left that behind when we (humans) were thrown out of The Garden. Now we are, for better or worse, masters of our own fate. With meaningful decision comes the benefits of all of the positive and negative outcomes.
God stepped back after the Great Flood. If you want justice, then go and get it. Build a community in which Justice is a supreme value. People have built new, better communities all the time. You want less corruption? Run for office. Trump did, and his team has uncovered vast corruption and they are setting out to address it. Things can be improved.
Don't blame God for not solving your problems. Our mortal understanding of God is our personification of an infinite universe and all that goes with that. We don't want a universe that makes choice literally impossible. It isn't better.
and the church decides what constitutes as "murder". history is filled with churches declaring killing in the name of The Lord as not murder and therefore not sin. oftentimes this coincides with a war that the church wants to be fought.
not remotely my position. I'm simply pointing out how the bible, as compiled by the Romans, does not compel people to be good to each other. it instead compels people to worship God, which gives incredible power to the institution that claims to represent God (the church).