What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
translation: Please don't sin, pretty please! Just know that your sins are forgiven simply by believing in Christ. no matter how many times you burn villages or fornicate, so long as you believe in Jesus everything will be okay. no need to right your wrongs or anything
Nowhere does it say you won't be punished for sinning. You just won't have to go to hell if you're saved. There's plenty of other kinds of punishments and saved Christians who continue to sin have plenty of regrets in this life and the next.
right, but the Romans claim God (read: the church) saves you, and that you repent to God (the church, usually with a convenience fee) to be clean of your sins. this process never includes actually righting the wrongs that you've done.
Jesus is very clear. First you stop sinning, then you show repentance, only then will absolution be given.
As for how that is applied in practice:
People who don't stop sinning are excommunicated. They are denied absolution and the sacrament and are unable to be part of the congregation (Christian church community) until they have stopped sinning.
Lots of churches are too soft to do any of these things, but when done effectively, we are talking about public shaming, shunning and the peril of damnation unless a person changes their ways, makes amends and gains the forgiveness and acceptance of the congregation again, as lead by a priest.
Being utterly exiled from community used to mean more when cities and towns were smaller, but being cut off from your community should be absolutely brutal, if wielded effectively.
From Romans 6:1-4
translation: Please don't sin, pretty please! Just know that your sins are forgiven simply by believing in Christ. no matter how many times you burn villages or fornicate, so long as you believe in Jesus everything will be okay. no need to right your wrongs or anything
Nowhere does it say you won't be punished for sinning. You just won't have to go to hell if you're saved. There's plenty of other kinds of punishments and saved Christians who continue to sin have plenty of regrets in this life and the next.
right, but the Romans claim God (read: the church) saves you, and that you repent to God (the church, usually with a convenience fee) to be clean of your sins. this process never includes actually righting the wrongs that you've done.
Jesus is very clear. First you stop sinning, then you show repentance, only then will absolution be given.
As for how that is applied in practice:
People who don't stop sinning are excommunicated. They are denied absolution and the sacrament and are unable to be part of the congregation (Christian church community) until they have stopped sinning.
Lots of churches are too soft to do any of these things, but when done effectively, we are talking about public shaming, shunning and the peril of damnation unless a person changes their ways, makes amends and gains the forgiveness and acceptance of the congregation again, as lead by a priest.
Being utterly exiled from community used to mean more when cities and towns were smaller, but being cut off from your community should be absolutely brutal, if wielded effectively.