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Israel funded terrorists to overthrow Assad. And now they are STILL not happy with the new Syrian leader they themselves installed and want to kill him too. Israel is completely out of control. (twitter.com)
posted 326 days ago by Telia 326 days ago by Telia +90 / -0
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– horstshort 2 points 324 days ago +2 / -0

Israel is capable of making a foray into Iran if it wanted.

A foray is not an invasion.

However, the true objective of Israel was that it would have been an American invasion of Iran.

Of course.

That is what Trump stopped.

Bit early for that statement don't you think? After all Trump did commit an act of war against Iran on the behest of Israel. His term isn't over just yet.

Also if the US and Israel have rival foreign policies why would Trump need to stop anything? That would suggest that the US government is Israels lapdog which would mean the US and Israel do not have rival foreign policies.

Comically absurd.

Israel took the worst beating of it's entire history despite being defended by half a dozen countries and by Irans missile capabilities having been severely crippled in the West. The waves got smaller and smaller and yet missiles got through again and again.

How many missiles did Iran launch during the token retaliatory strike against the US? A dozen? And yet one slipped through and hit 'nothing' according to Trump but actually destroyed a radar.

It doesn't take a genius to realize what would happen if Iran would take out the oil infrastructure of the Gulf states while seriously attacking US bases. So no it's not comically absurd.

Israel wanted the war with Iran to end because they were running out of interceptors. Trump gave the excuse. He didn't go against Israels wishes. Doesn't mean that Iran truly won this engagement but Israel failed completely.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 324 days ago +1 / -0

A foray is not an invasion.

Lol. Yes it is, it's the definition of one. "Israel didn't invade Lebanon in 1982! It was an incursion! It was only a mere 60,000 troops and 800 tanks!"

Bit early for that statement don't you think?

No. Their previous objective failed, and Netanyahu has moved onto Syria, and made noises about a nobel peace price for Iran. That's Bibi basically acquiescing that there will be no full invasion of Iran at this point.

Also if the US and Israel have rival foreign policies why would Trump need to stop anything?

So that our foreign policies reman separate...

Israel took the worst beating of it's entire history despite being defended by half a dozen countries and by Irans missile capabilities having been severely crippled in the West.

This shows an extreme lack of historical knowledge of Israel. Israel took a bigger beating in the 2002 Intafada. Hell, Israel took a bigger beating on October 7th. The worst beating of Israel's existence is the Battle of The "Valley of Tears", where Israeli armored columns took complete losses in order to make a last-stand against Syrian armored columns, knowing that if they had been pushed off their positions, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem would be completely indefensible. This isn't really up for debate. Iran's missiles did minimal damage to Israel

How many missiles did Iran launch during the token retaliatory strike against the US? A dozen? And yet one slipped through and hit 'nothing' according to Trump but actually destroyed a radar.

The US took almost no significant effort to defend themselves, because (like last time), this was understood to be a symbolic gesture.

It doesn't take a genius to realize what would happen if Iran would take out the oil infrastructure of the Gulf states while seriously attacking US bases. So no it's not comically absurd.

It's comically absurd because Iran doesn't have the capacity to stop the US navy, let alone actually shut down oil shipping entirely, and causing a direct war with Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, and Dubai.

Israel wanted the war with Iran to end because they were running out of interceptors. Trump gave the excuse. He didn't go against Israel's wishes. Doesn't mean that Iran truly won this engagement but Israel failed completely.

If that's the case, you should be jealous of Israel's amazingly beneficial failures. The only thing that Israel didn't get was regime change. Knocking out Iranian leadership, command and control, most of it's missile defense, most of it's nuclear development, breaking up their proxy relationships, and achieving total air dominance over Iran is one of the best defeats I can imagine.

In reality, an invasion was wanted by Israel for regime change, not for it's missiles. They knew their missiles were going to be limited. The missiles were a time limit, not a failure. They got 90% of what they wanted within their time limit.

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– horstshort 1 point 324 days ago +1 / -0

foray /fôr′ā″, fŏr′ā″/ noun

A sudden raid or military advance.

A venture or an initial attempt, especially outside one's usual area. "an actor's foray into politics."

A sudden or irregular incursion in border warfare; hence, any irregular incursion for war or spoils; a raid.

invasion /ĭn-vā′zhən/ noun

The act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer.

The entry into bodily tissue and subsequent proliferation of an injurious entity, such as a pathogen or tumor.

An intrusion or encroachment. "Your reading her diary was an invasion of her privacy."

Iran's missiles did minimal damage to Israel

Just as a 'foray' is by definition an 'invasion'.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 322 days ago +1 / -0

We can document the damage by the missiles in Israel. Yes a foray is an invasion. There's also an invasion on the southern border of the US, even without a military vehicle present.

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– horstshort 1 point 322 days ago +1 / -0

We can document the damage by the missiles in Israel.

To an extent. The damage to civilian infrastructure was severe as we can easily see in the numerous videos available. The damage to military installations on the other hand is heavily censored.

Yes a foray is an invasion.

No. It's not. Just as a woman isn't a man. I posted the definitions. Use words correctly and don't make up definitions.

There's also an invasion on the southern border of the US, even without a military vehicle present.

Yes. Because mass immigration is intended to displace the local population and by doing that conquer territory which is a hard requirement for an invasion.

Israel has been invading Gaza, Lebanon and Syria. They've never had the intention of invading Iran themselves because Israel is literally incapable of doing that. Or how exactly do you think Israel is gonna move enough soldiers (which they don't have in the first place) to actually conquer territory in Iran? Jewish teleportation magic? Pretend Iraq and Syria don't exist and Iran is actually a neighbor?

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