PMs are the worst. They take all the credit, none of the risk, and spend most of their time scheduling 20 meetings a day, setting ‘check points’, ‘circling back’, and making the engineers explain every excruciating detail and timeline to them on an old design while the engineer is trying to get the updates for new design completed. Just generally annoying the shit out of anyone trying to actually do the work. And when the project is a success they are the face of it, when it’s gone poorly it’s the engineers and techs fault for not hitting timelines.
These kinds of PMs, yeah. When I worked in O&G, the PMs were all men and without them the jobs didn't get done. None of them wasted time on anything that didn't matter and most of them worked 16 hour days powered by nonstop cigarettes and coffee. There were no poorly done projects, lol.
Meh, I've had a unicorn PM at a previous job who was fucking brilliant. Played all the office politics on behalf of his team so we didn't have to deal with any of it, but could also jump into the trenches and run circles around veteran engineers if needed. He also did a hell of a lot to make sure everyone was well situated to have both resources and projects that would catapult their skill sets forward to further their careers. This is also the guy that pulled three of us into his office when we all submitted our letters of resignation of Covid injection mandates and told us to just fucking ignore all of it and that no one was leaving over that nonsense.
They're out there, but they are far and away the exception sadly. It makes me think that the role has a purpose, it's just that most people aren't fulfilling it.
He sounds like a good one, but as you say, extremely rare. Most of the time PMs are the main contributors of office politics and playing it is their sole purpose. Basically my point is that they are usually a blight on the value adding team members and just exist as a role to employee communications degree women.
I dunno man, I just know there's this cultural zeitgeist that management in an office is universally a net negative thing but at this point in my career I've seen too much to agree with that sentiment and feel compelled to push back against that idea when I see it. Things aren't so black and white. The role itself can have merit even if the overwhelming majority of people populating that role are barely sentient garbage fires that ought to be purged from society. It's like declaring that a screwdriver is a useless tool because you insist on using it like a hammer rather than ever applying it to a screw.
PMs are the worst. They take all the credit, none of the risk, and spend most of their time scheduling 20 meetings a day, setting ‘check points’, ‘circling back’, and making the engineers explain every excruciating detail and timeline to them on an old design while the engineer is trying to get the updates for new design completed. Just generally annoying the shit out of anyone trying to actually do the work. And when the project is a success they are the face of it, when it’s gone poorly it’s the engineers and techs fault for not hitting timelines.
These kinds of PMs, yeah. When I worked in O&G, the PMs were all men and without them the jobs didn't get done. None of them wasted time on anything that didn't matter and most of them worked 16 hour days powered by nonstop cigarettes and coffee. There were no poorly done projects, lol.
Last seen in the 90’s.
Meh, I've had a unicorn PM at a previous job who was fucking brilliant. Played all the office politics on behalf of his team so we didn't have to deal with any of it, but could also jump into the trenches and run circles around veteran engineers if needed. He also did a hell of a lot to make sure everyone was well situated to have both resources and projects that would catapult their skill sets forward to further their careers. This is also the guy that pulled three of us into his office when we all submitted our letters of resignation of Covid injection mandates and told us to just fucking ignore all of it and that no one was leaving over that nonsense.
They're out there, but they are far and away the exception sadly. It makes me think that the role has a purpose, it's just that most people aren't fulfilling it.
He sounds like a good one, but as you say, extremely rare. Most of the time PMs are the main contributors of office politics and playing it is their sole purpose. Basically my point is that they are usually a blight on the value adding team members and just exist as a role to employee communications degree women.
I dunno man, I just know there's this cultural zeitgeist that management in an office is universally a net negative thing but at this point in my career I've seen too much to agree with that sentiment and feel compelled to push back against that idea when I see it. Things aren't so black and white. The role itself can have merit even if the overwhelming majority of people populating that role are barely sentient garbage fires that ought to be purged from society. It's like declaring that a screwdriver is a useless tool because you insist on using it like a hammer rather than ever applying it to a screw.