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Iran was an IQ test. You favorite pundits flunked. (www.youtube.com)
posted 352 days ago by dagthegnome 352 days ago by dagthegnome +12 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice 10 points 351 days ago +10 / -0

Yes and now it's over

No, it's not. Actions have consequences. In this case, probably further proliferation of nukes.

The only people who seem to be unhappy about that are Israel and the entire right-wing online pundit sphere , including no small number of users on this board, who are currently refusing to admit it's over and acting like they wanted it to escalate into WW3 just so they can say "I told you so."

Well, I didn't tell you so, because I didn't think it was WW3, nor did many people. We did say that it's an extraordinarily stupid war, one started without any provocation whatsoever, in an attempt to make yet another country into a failed state. You may not mind the fact that 10 million more 'refugees' would come to Europe, but I do.

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– dagthegnome [S] 2 points 351 days ago +2 / -0

Well fortunately for you all this has done is shore up support for the Islamic Republic and made regime change in Iran that much less likely. Which I'm sure was not Trump's goal, but now Netanyahu is not going to get what he wanted and POTUS is publicly and vocally pissed at Israel and calling them out for the first time in Israel's existence. So can we just take the win?

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 351 days ago +1 / -0

Well fortunately for you all this has done is shore up support for the Islamic Republic and made regime change in Iran that much less likely

And that's a good thing?

Which I'm sure was not Trump's goal, but now Netanyahu is not going to get what he wanted and POTUS is publicly and vocally pissed at Israel and calling them out for the first time in Israel's existence. So can we just take the win?

I don't think this is a win. They just repeated the 2003 playbook with close to zero pushback and support from most Democrats. That is terrifying. Trump slammed Tucker and even his own Director of National Intelligence, just because he wanted to scoop up some dirty credit for this war.

I also have no problem with Israel, I just think they shouldn't be bombing other countries without cause.

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– dagthegnome [S] 1 point 351 days ago +1 / -0

As much as I hate Muslims and Islamist governments, any regime change in Iran would absolutely send 10-20 million refugees streaming into Europe, so for you it is a good thing that that government is almost certainly not going anywhere.

As for the rest, Trump has clearly decided not to pursue further military action and has publicly called on the Israelis to cut it out. He then sidelined the people in his administration who were calling for all-out war on Iran and signal-boosted Tulsi when she praised the ceasefire. As hard as they tried to use the 2003 playbook, he's made it pretty clear that he's not going to play and the people who were egging him on to further action are seething about it to anyone who will listen. So yes, that's a win.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 351 days ago +1 / -0

As much as I hate Muslims and Islamist governments, any regime change in Iran would absolutely send 10-20 million refugees streaming into Europe, so for you it is a good thing that that government is almost certainly not going anywhere.

Yes, though probably not if it was a peaceful internal thing, rather than one imposed through invasion, bombing and/or state collapse.

As hard as they tried to use the 2003 playback, he's made it pretty clear that he's not going to play.

He was the one playing it! Look, I'm not saying he hasn't done good AFTER the strike. Hell, things have gone as well as they could have given preceding events. I'm not saying to disown him. I'm saying that he did great wrong before. Why is it bad that people were warning against the disastrous consequences of this madness? Why are they the ones who are low IQ, and not the people who fell for it again?

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