Wrong angle of attack. Not even saying the statements are wrong, but I prefer the logical approach pointing out how massively hypocritical they are.
Every single argument accusing others of being "woke right" is using woke left argumentation style. That's the real issue; even by their own statements, the people calling others woke are clearly signaling that they themselves are the woke ones.
Their other moral failings are important, but not so much for determining who is woke, who is right, and who is correct.
The "woke right" argument is itself woke. That's the important part.
That's true, but to reach normies (mostly White and Asian ones), is to first show them that the people causing all the problems, the people pretending to be our allies, but are gatekeeping us from moving further right and to actual solutions, that they're all logically inconsistent, hypocrites, and liars.
Good people almost universally adhere to logical consistency. We all have our failings and hang ups with our own logical consistency, but in general this holds true, and is a good way to reach people on most subjects, and gives a good inroad to reach people on topics that they've been brainwashed on.
A lot of people, at first, will argue with you and just repeat the propaganda word for word. But, you have to keep pointing out the inconsistencies with them. This is best done with people you already have a decent relationship with, who will listen to you and give you leeway in a debate. You plant seeds of truth, which gnaw at them over time. The more seeds you plant, the more likely one will bear fruit and open their eyes. If you speak the truth, those seeds will be proven by reality over and over and over, even under the dystopian censorship and lies of the media. Just be calm and rational about it, not a caustic asshole, and you will win people over. Once you win people over on the logical inconsistencies, then you can more easily point out the more uncomfortable truths.
The exponential growth of the true (hard/alt) right is a testament to this fact. If we were incapable of being convinced, none of us would be here. And, since the shooting hasn't started yet (en masse), we can still work to grow our numbers, to normalize the truth, and degrade our enemy's position.
It's ineffectual to point out the hypocrisy of the leftist. They don't give a fuck. The commies are amoral retards and you can't apply your own standards to that mindset. It's like accusing a mosquito of being hypocritical for biting you.
It's ineffectual to point out the hypocrisy of the leftist. They don't give a fuck.
That's generally true, but actually not in this case.
Remember, these people are grifting on the right. So pointing out that they're arguing like a leftist actually is an effective strategy, to use to address the people these "woke right" people are trying to reach.
They're leftists, but they don't claim to be, and the people they're preaching to aren't. So calling out the grift for what it is is great.
Logic actually (often) works on the right. Which is where this discussion is taking place, regardless of individual politics.
Woke right are the group of people who want to use social victim status as a mechanism to increase the scope and size of the federal government.
We used to just call them neocons.
From a libertarian point of view, call it whatever you want, but these are the people who were silent when Trump was being persecuted, and then suddenly found their voice once Trump was elected.
Instead of supporting that agenda they immediately tried to use Trumps victory as an opportunity to push their bloated agendas into government yet again.
That they use the same language as the right but are clearly looking to pervert the momentum for their own ends a convenient handle for their type of behavior seemed justified. You could do worse than "woke right," but it is fitting, particularly for the politically motivated white collar ex-neocon swamp creature class.
"Woke" means people who push lgbt and black people on to White and Asian countries. People who push diversity. End of story. There is no other definition of "woke" , "woke right " is an oxymoron, and anyone who tries to redefine what "woke" means are subverters.
"Woke" means people who push lgbt and black people
That's the traditional class of people using "woke ideas" to push their agendas. The whole queer and black shit is based on a "history of victimization" that's literally their entire pitch. Is that they should be given special treatment because they're victims.
You've literally missed the whole mechanism to identify a single class. Woke is anyone who uses this mechanism not the people who use it in one particular way.
and anyone who tries to redefine what "woke" means are subverters.
Yea, this is "woke strategy" right here, can't you see that? To even believe that there's a "universal definition" and acceptance or rejection of it confers a status upon you. The irony here is wild.
There is a universal definition of it. How i defined woke was how everyone was defining it until the jews and philosemites decided to muddy the waters and start accusing people of being "woke right".
Eh.
Wrong angle of attack. Not even saying the statements are wrong, but I prefer the logical approach pointing out how massively hypocritical they are.
Every single argument accusing others of being "woke right" is using woke left argumentation style. That's the real issue; even by their own statements, the people calling others woke are clearly signaling that they themselves are the woke ones.
Their other moral failings are important, but not so much for determining who is woke, who is right, and who is correct.
The "woke right" argument is itself woke. That's the important part.
the common denominator between all the people using the term "woke right" is that they are all jews or philosemites.
That's true, but to reach normies (mostly White and Asian ones), is to first show them that the people causing all the problems, the people pretending to be our allies, but are gatekeeping us from moving further right and to actual solutions, that they're all logically inconsistent, hypocrites, and liars.
Good people almost universally adhere to logical consistency. We all have our failings and hang ups with our own logical consistency, but in general this holds true, and is a good way to reach people on most subjects, and gives a good inroad to reach people on topics that they've been brainwashed on.
A lot of people, at first, will argue with you and just repeat the propaganda word for word. But, you have to keep pointing out the inconsistencies with them. This is best done with people you already have a decent relationship with, who will listen to you and give you leeway in a debate. You plant seeds of truth, which gnaw at them over time. The more seeds you plant, the more likely one will bear fruit and open their eyes. If you speak the truth, those seeds will be proven by reality over and over and over, even under the dystopian censorship and lies of the media. Just be calm and rational about it, not a caustic asshole, and you will win people over. Once you win people over on the logical inconsistencies, then you can more easily point out the more uncomfortable truths.
The exponential growth of the true (hard/alt) right is a testament to this fact. If we were incapable of being convinced, none of us would be here. And, since the shooting hasn't started yet (en masse), we can still work to grow our numbers, to normalize the truth, and degrade our enemy's position.
It's ineffectual to point out the hypocrisy of the leftist. They don't give a fuck. The commies are amoral retards and you can't apply your own standards to that mindset. It's like accusing a mosquito of being hypocritical for biting you.
That's generally true, but actually not in this case.
Remember, these people are grifting on the right. So pointing out that they're arguing like a leftist actually is an effective strategy, to use to address the people these "woke right" people are trying to reach.
They're leftists, but they don't claim to be, and the people they're preaching to aren't. So calling out the grift for what it is is great.
Logic actually (often) works on the right. Which is where this discussion is taking place, regardless of individual politics.
Woke right are the group of people who want to use social victim status as a mechanism to increase the scope and size of the federal government.
We used to just call them neocons.
From a libertarian point of view, call it whatever you want, but these are the people who were silent when Trump was being persecuted, and then suddenly found their voice once Trump was elected.
Instead of supporting that agenda they immediately tried to use Trumps victory as an opportunity to push their bloated agendas into government yet again.
That they use the same language as the right but are clearly looking to pervert the momentum for their own ends a convenient handle for their type of behavior seemed justified. You could do worse than "woke right," but it is fitting, particularly for the politically motivated white collar ex-neocon swamp creature class.
"Woke" means people who push lgbt and black people on to White and Asian countries. People who push diversity. End of story. There is no other definition of "woke" , "woke right " is an oxymoron, and anyone who tries to redefine what "woke" means are subverters.
That's the traditional class of people using "woke ideas" to push their agendas. The whole queer and black shit is based on a "history of victimization" that's literally their entire pitch. Is that they should be given special treatment because they're victims.
You've literally missed the whole mechanism to identify a single class. Woke is anyone who uses this mechanism not the people who use it in one particular way.
Yea, this is "woke strategy" right here, can't you see that? To even believe that there's a "universal definition" and acceptance or rejection of it confers a status upon you. The irony here is wild.
There is a universal definition of it. How i defined woke was how everyone was defining it until the jews and philosemites decided to muddy the waters and start accusing people of being "woke right".