“In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, "I don't see the use of this; let us clear it away." To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: "If you don't see the use of it, I certainly won't let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it." -- GK Chesterton
Chesterton’s Fence has a certain popularity amongst those who wish oppose various socially progressive ideas, and there is a misconception that those who wish to destroy this or that are doing so without considering the nature of what they wish to tear down. That if the progressive adhered to Chesterton’s Fence that there could be a more productive conversation between the reformer and his opponents. This is a grave mistake. It may be a hard thing to accept, but the revolutionary often has a better understanding of the nature and purpose of the institutions he wishes to dismantle than those who oppose him.
Take for instance the widespread acceptance among certain Christian communities of LGBTQ ideology or Feminism. Acceptance of both of these ideologies by Christians require the dismantling fences that have stood for thousands of years. Their opponents might naively bemoan that these progressives should have considered why things were the way they were; that an appeal the “niceness” of modernity was no basis for such sweeping changes; that they should have considered Chesterton’s Fence. The thing is these people know the purpose of the fences in question and are lying about their reason for wanting to tear them down. In fact, they are lying about even wanting to tear them down; they claim that after removing everything but the posts that the fences has been improved. They are lying.
To understand why they do this, you need to know what they know: what is the fence for, and why they would want it gone. It would also help to know why they are lying.
When the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 was signed into law, its proponents made two claims. The first was that the old quota system unjustly restricted immigration because it expressly aimed to maintain the character of the American people, that is to say a Nation predominantly comprised of White Christians. Their second claim that the law would not have a significant impact on the culture or demographics of the American people. Obviously, they were talking out of both sides of their mouths. You see, Emanuel Cellar knew the purpose of US immigration law prior to 1965, but he didn’t go around saying that the predominantly White and Christian nature of the United States must be destroyed: he claimed that the principles that protected such a system were unjust, then he claimed that the major changes he proposed would have no effect. He was not ignorant of the nature of the thing he wanted to destroy; he ignored its nature and appealed to the better nature of the American people for permission to destroy it. In short, he was lying.
Chesterton’s Fence presumes that the reformer is not actively engaged in subterfuge, but this is not typically the case. The revolutionary knows why the fence is there but demands of its defender “why do you care; how does this even effect you?” when he begins to tear it down. They don’t want you to know what the fence is for, and they certainly don’t want you to know that they know what the fence is for. They are lying.
Why would Philip Hart, Emanual Cellar, and Lyndon Johnson lie? Because it would have been a pretty hard sell, even to the rank-and-file liberal of last century, to say “we should pass a law aimed at reducing the White proportion of the population,” but that’s what they were aiming for. It was, however, surprisingly easy to convince Americans left-right-and-center that they ought to be nicer to foreigners of all creeds and colors, never mind that the framers of the Hart-Caller act were expressly aiming to tear down the fence that maintained the ethnic and religious nature of the American Nation. It was an appeal to be allowed to use American principles to destroy the Americans that upheld those same principles. They were again, of course, lying.
When barbarians arrive at the gate saying, “we are not a conquering enemy; we are but poor refugees,” do not believe them. When the progressive says, ‘we do not want to destroy the American family; we are only teaching your children empathy for the other,” do not believe them. When the pastor says, “we do not wish to change the Christian Religion; we are simply teaching our flock to be more tolerant,” do not believe them. Assume they are lying.
Summarized:
The left accuses the right of being evil because the left is evil, the right accuses the left of being stupid because the right is stupid.
Well, yes. I suppose I took 7 paragraphs to state the obvious, but I think there is value in unpacking what "everybody knows." I alluded to this in my first paragraph: "the revolutionary often has a better understanding of the nature and purpose of the institutions he wishes to dismantle than those who oppose him." If we want people to oppose wanton social changes, the "conservative" ought to know what he is defending.
It's fine to say things multiple ways. It might just get through to somebody.
There’s definitely a lot of that going on, but I think the larger issue is actually simpler and more depressing.
A lot of people are more like NPCs. There are many different ways in which people believe things and act. A very large number of people—maybe even the largest number of people—go by social queues and what they’re told. Particularly women. And more recently, demasculinized men trying to make it with those women for lack of options. A lot of these women are now on SSRIs. The burden of what it takes for them to believe something is now very low. It just needs to be on their phone.
It isn’t really them being stupid. Or them actively being evil revolutionaries, though those exist. It’s that those people that can very easily believe anything if enough people do are now constantly plugged into woke ideology and raised on it from birth, and just go with what’s popular at the time due to social media algorithms. That’s why there’s a general lack of coherency on the surface of a lot of things they support and do. They’re against climate change but fire bomb Teslas and support children flying around in private jets. Queers for Palestine. It isn’t incoherent under the surface though. It’s whatever works on the social media algorithms for crazy bitches on SSRIs.
The epistemological fabric of the world for many people has been poisoned. It isn’t even being coopted entirely by revolutionary types so much as simply social media algorithms. That’s part of why there’s a shifting away. The algorithms on sites like X changed.
Conservatives have consistently failed to conserve anything at all. https://youtu.be/BBJnBSBditU
I'll say that's not exactly it, because both groups are made up of what i call "actuals" and "incidentals"
Actuals know what they believe and why to some degree. They have principles and construct a worldview to make sense of reality.
Incidentals believe stuff, but it's broadly speaking a fashion choice. They start with their narrative of self, and then fit beliefs into it. They try to live up to their dads ideals or don't based on whether or not they view themselves as someone who accepts or rejects their father figure rather than what the beliefs actually are. Which then cascades into every other belief and taste.
The vast majority of every social movement is made up of the second group, and the work of actuals is largely about mobilization and motivation rather than convinging anybody of anything. They eonr be convinced because they never were.