“I can list countless verses.” You can list countlessly poorly translated verses. There are two forms of forgiveness in the Bible. The Bible also has a shit ton of murder in it. The mortal version of “forgiveness” is not the same as the divine version, you don’t not have the power to forgive, you have the power for mortal “forgiveness” which literally means to dismiss or abandon when translated from the Greek texts.
must love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us,
“ If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone”
If you cannot bring yourself to forgive Karmelo, understand that if you cannot forgive others of their sins against you (a creature deserving of nothing), God will not forgive you for your sins against the Almighty
You’re literally blaspheming here. You have no power to absolve sin, that is gods power alone. The forgiveness required of you is to dismiss or abandon the person and even then it’s very murky because God specifically has his servants kill people in retribution all throughout the Old Testament.
"Oh but if you read this verse in Koine Greek and add in this verse from the Latin Vulgate and look sideways at it, you can clearly see I'm right."
You mean reading it as it’s originally intended? Shocking you lack the capacity to do so.
Nobody here is saying that forgiving him will grant him eternal life.
Yes, you are literally demanding we grant him absolution.
And this ridiculous bit about dismissing or abandoning is an odd hang up (especially since I guarantee you that it was originally spoken by Jesus in Aramaic before being translated into Koine Greek.
So throw out the entire Bible which was written in Greek? How fascinating your argument is.
you read 99 percent of all the other translations, you're wrong. The intent is clear: forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.
If you bother to even understand why there’s two forms of forgiveness you would understand that passage is entirely about not holding a grudge, not granting clemency.
you think that only people who read your specific translation are in the right, you're crazy. Only God can forgive sins, but we can forgive others who have hurt us.
Incorrect, we can refuse to hold malice towards those that hurt us, once again, only god can forgive. You clearly have a massively warped view where you again can grant absolution.
It doesn't mean they're going to heaven, it just means we've decided to stop hating them.
That’s not what the modern definition of forgiveness is, nor what the church currently preaches.
“I can list countless verses.” You can list countlessly poorly translated verses. There are two forms of forgiveness in the Bible. The Bible also has a shit ton of murder in it. The mortal version of “forgiveness” is not the same as the divine version, you don’t not have the power to forgive, you have the power for mortal “forgiveness” which literally means to dismiss or abandon when translated from the Greek texts.
“ If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone”
You’re literally blaspheming here. You have no power to absolve sin, that is gods power alone. The forgiveness required of you is to dismiss or abandon the person and even then it’s very murky because God specifically has his servants kill people in retribution all throughout the Old Testament.
You mean reading it as it’s originally intended? Shocking you lack the capacity to do so.
Yes, you are literally demanding we grant him absolution.
So throw out the entire Bible which was written in Greek? How fascinating your argument is.
If you bother to even understand why there’s two forms of forgiveness you would understand that passage is entirely about not holding a grudge, not granting clemency.
Incorrect, we can refuse to hold malice towards those that hurt us, once again, only god can forgive. You clearly have a massively warped view where you again can grant absolution.
That’s not what the modern definition of forgiveness is, nor what the church currently preaches.
Thanks for showing you have yet again zero argument other than spewing ad hominem!